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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 11:50 pm
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Originally Posted by lotrbfme
Look how different AA handled their latest PR case... the employee was fired and they apologized inmediately on twitter and the women was upgraded to first class on her flight. If it would have been the United FA or GA from Dao's flight she would have called the police have her knocked and dragged her outside. Then put on twitter that she was aggressive and praise their employees.
And now you'll get a bunch of crying people on a plane trying to get a free upgrade.
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Old Apr 23, 2017, 11:51 pm
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Originally Posted by blueman2
Look at the public reaction in each case. The legal settlement is not UA's biggest concern. The reputational damage is. UA got killed in terms of reputation. AA got hurt, but nothing like UA. In every single respect, AA handled this better after the incident than UA did. And AA is getting much less reputational damage than UA did. In that sense, AA is already of the hook, or perhaps better said, less on the hook that UA.
While the CEO responses are some cause as to the different responses, I think the far greater cause is simply that there's no video of a FA whacking a lady with a stroller. What matters it seems is the optics, not the substance.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 3:33 am
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Originally Posted by deskover54
While the CEO responses are some cause as to the different responses, I think the far greater cause is simply that there's no video of a FA whacking a lady with a stroller. What matters it seems is the optics, not the substance.
Perhaps, but the AA problem was limited to one out-of-control FA, with others at AA trying to fix the problem (or at least not making it worse), while at UA it seems a deeper cultural issue, with the problems extending to multiple employees, including at the highest levels.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 4:08 am
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Does this mean the (AA) passenger will still not complain about the "trauma" she and her two young children had to go through once she got to her destination and consulted with a lawyer? Why should we assume AA is off the hook?
AA's not off the hook, but AA also didn't mess up as badly as UA did even after the incident got management's attention.

There's plenty that is rotten with AA, but AA didn't mess up as badly as UA did.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
AA's not off the hook, but AA also didn't mess up as badly as UA did even after the incident got management's attention.

There's plenty that is rotten with AA, but AA didn't mess up as badly as UA did.
as much as this incident and recent cutbacks really make me hate UA... guess what, I can't switch. I'm stuck. I have too many FF miles and am more or less based out of EWR for the routes i fly. I'm also half way to a million miles with them.

Many people are in the same conundrum as me. We might all talk about another airline being better as far as customer service goes, but the AA incident disproves that as well. They all suck, and we're all just stuck.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 7:20 am
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Originally Posted by Fiordland
Either that union is out of touch with the reality when it wants to participate in the discussion by.....

"..... introducing the reality that no United Flight Attendant or anyone from United was involved in the offending event."

Lets see how wrong this is:
- the customer had a contract with United to provide air transportation
- the regional was operating under the United brand
- the SOP governing the process were United
- the gate agent and supervisory staff were United
- the people who run the booking software that picked this person was united
- the security people were called and engaged by united
- the inflight crew and captain were working for a company contracted to provide a look and feel similar to united.

The CEO at least is taking responsibility....
IANAL but AFAIK Republic is functioning as an agent (not in the sense of a GA or FA) of UA. That makes UA responsible for their actions in general.

Originally Posted by deskover54
While the CEO responses are some cause as to the different responses, I think the far greater cause is simply that there's no video of a FA whacking a lady with a stroller. What matters it seems is the optics, not the substance.
There's no video (so far) of the actual whack, but the woman passenger's "Easter egg" on her forehead shows very clearly in some videos. I don't recall whether some passengers claim to have actually witnessed the whack, but there's the woman who seems to have been just behind the mother in the jetway when it happened who was apparently very concerned. I'm thinking of the woman holding the package tied with bright pink ribbon who seems to be standing in the aisle at the front of the FC cabin while the mother is to the side, halfway in what I assume is the FC galley.

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Old Apr 24, 2017, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by deskover54
And now you'll get a bunch of crying people on a plane trying to get a free upgrade.
I want to highlight this response as I think it is emblematic of United's thinking, and part of FT's thinking on the Dao incident: Others are "kettles" who deserve what they get, and unless they are kept in line it will make the already bad experience worse for me. It is a me vs. them mindset.

I think the woman with the stroller was clearly in the wrong. You have to gate check them, and she disobeyed instructions. However the AA FA's reaction was way OTT. The AA captain rather than backing up his FA (as often happens) tried to calm down the situation. AA management then chose to upgrade the woman on the next flight (she refused to fly on her existing flight) to address a situation handled badly by its FA.

AA is not perfect, and I dislike many of Parkers cuts, but the way they handled the situation - as a CS issue where it is not black/white - is the way businesses need to address situations in the video/social-media age. United's mistake often is to see a situation as black or white and of course anything United says must back backed up/followed. That approach does not work very well over the long term.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 10:43 am
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Thumbs down

Good lord with the union bashing. I get it, some of you think unions no longer serve a purpose. And there are a number of bad union apples who just won't listen. But as long as executive staff whose only real skill is to cut costs as much as possible to line their own pockets by finding loopholes to take things away from the very people who make the airline work, unions are still very much a necessity.

How about creating an environment where unions are not necessary? How about starting from a point where employees feel empowered to make decisions that make sense, rather than strict, unbending adherence to rules that are geared to save the company money at any cost? How about, in this specific case, taking a look at the "values" that United has held dear since even before the merger, and are what have caused this fuster cluck in the first place, rather than blaming unions for the fact that United as a whole considers passengers little more than self-loading freight?
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 10:44 am
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The attorney was on NBC to talk about the case

http://www.today.com/news/lawyer-hur...tatoes-t110715

The new piece - there 'may be' additional video from passengers which we will all be curious to see that helps fill in some more of the gaps. He says he doesn't have it.

He then goes on to make his claim of Dao being calm based on the existing video.

He also clarified the AA passenger, who is now his client, was not struck at any point by the stroller.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 10:59 am
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What I've noticed is David Dao not making the rounds, not trying to elicit sympathy. This is the first video I've seen where his lawyer has made any statement since the press conference a week and a half ago.

United is going to feel this hurt for a long, long, time. And deservedly so.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by richarddd
Perhaps, but the AA problem was limited to one out-of-control FA, with others at AA trying to fix the problem (or at least not making it worse), while at UA it seems a deeper cultural issue, with the problems extending to multiple employees, including at the highest levels.
Couldn't agree more.

Originally Posted by Evident
as much as this incident and recent cutbacks really make me hate UA... guess what, I can't switch. I'm stuck. I have too many FF miles and am more or less based out of EWR for the routes i fly. I'm also half way to a million miles with them.

Many people are in the same conundrum as me. We might all talk about another airline being better as far as customer service goes, but the AA incident disproves that as well. They all suck, and we're all just stuck.
How did we come to this lose-lose situation?
As a customer, I certainly do not want to switch. Why should I be punished and take the financial hit to a less-worse-more-humane airline? I hope those airline CEOs can see the fact that happier passengers will fly more often and spend more to indulge themselves.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 12:01 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
AA's not off the hook, but AA also didn't mess up as badly as UA did even after the incident got management's attention.

There's plenty that is rotten with AA, but AA didn't mess up as badly as UA did.
Well, that of course ignores the fact that AA's "turn" came *after* this incident and thus AA already had a blueprint to work with in terms of what needed to be done. Based on comments in the AA forum I doubt this FA 'acted up' the first time on this flight, nor was it the first known incident involving AA staff acting unnecessarily belligerently.

They didn't seem to care too much about it before there was a recording of a 'crying mother' (every lawyer's and tabloid journalist's favorite person) and UA had already been giving a proper hiding in the public sphere.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by FiveMileFinal
Good lord with the union bashing. I get it, some of you think unions no longer serve a purpose. And there are a number of bad union apples who just won't listen. But as long as executive staff whose only real skill is to cut costs as much as possible to line their own pockets by finding loopholes to take things away from the very people who make the airline work, unions are still very much a necessity.

How about creating an environment where unions are not necessary? How about starting from a point where employees feel empowered to make decisions that make sense, rather than strict, unbending adherence to rules that are geared to save the company money at any cost? How about, in this specific case, taking a look at the "values" that United has held dear since even before the merger, and are what have caused this fuster cluck in the first place, rather than blaming unions for the fact that United as a whole considers passengers little more than self-loading freight?
I agree, but Southwest Airlines has more unionized employees than any other airline (from what I have read), and it's been like that since day 1. The difference is that WN management and the WN labor unions work together to make their passengers happy. UA management and UA labor unions work together to make their passengers as miserable as possible. The only reason UA is still in business is because people refuse to fly another carrier. If a non-stop flight on an airline staffed by rude employees is more important than a connecting flight on an airline staffed by pleasant employees, then nothing changes.
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by FiveMileFinal
What I've noticed is David Dao not making the rounds, not trying to elicit sympathy. This is the first video I've seen where his lawyer has made any statement since the press conference a week and a half ago.

United is going to feel this hurt for a long, long, time. And deservedly so.
I would assume the strategy is to let the focus be on United, which is still feeling the hurt. Putting Dao out only shifts the focus. Demitro will try to settle this quickly, using the threat of putting Dao out to bash United, sturring up the pot once again when it settles down. If United wants to fight settling for multiple millions, well then United can expect to see Dao being interviewed on all the morning shows - and all over Chinese TV - about how horrible of an airline United is. The unspoken pitch is going to be "settle for $10M or we will go fight this in the public sphere"
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 2:05 pm
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Originally Posted by spin88
I would assume the strategy is to let the focus be on United, which is still feeling the hurt. Putting Dao out only shifts the focus. Demitro will try to settle this quickly, using the threat of putting Dao out to bash United, sturring up the pot once again when it settles down. If United wants to fight settling for multiple millions, well then United can expect to see Dao being interviewed on all the morning shows - and all over Chinese TV - about how horrible of an airline United is. The unspoken pitch is going to be "settle for $10M or we will go fight this in the public sphere"
I dunno...did you see Demetrio's interview on Today this morning? I think the ship on a quick settlement has sailed or will be sailing very soon. Already, he's communicated that Dao believes a public, face-to-face apology by Muņoz is worthless.

My call: IF they settle, it'll be in the mid- to high eight-figures. If papers get filed, it's going to nine.
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