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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Rdenney
Eyewitness reports used the phrase "brusque and demanding". A little humility might have undermined the "drunk with power" claim.
I knew the description was correct when I asked my question, I just didn't know the details.

She should go. The other answer to my question said she announced that "no one is going anywhere until we get 4 people off this plane" and that she "laughed in the face" of the guy that asked for a $1600 voucher.

There is no excuse for doing anything like that.

Compare:

"I'm sorry, I have no authority to offer more than $800."

And

"Right now, I have no authority to offer more than $800, but let me make some calls."

She made the situation worse, even before she called the plastic-badge police.

United should merge with T-mobile; and then they would have an accurate slogan.

Originally Posted by Catbert10
Seriously, I think Dr. Dao isn't going to settle and this case will pop up for a while as discovery proceeds, goes to trial, etc. I expect UA to suffer recurring pain over this event. And IMO, it deserves everything it gets
If I were on United's Board of Directors, and could get them to listen to me, he would settle. The cost of having this thing drag on (especially after the admissions United has made) is larger than a very large cash settlement would be. I'd just tell him, we're going to change your life and the lives of all your descendants, while you're still alive to see it and enjoy it. A trial may not yield a larger sum than this, and it will take time that you could spend touring the world with your wife and children, and selecting private schools and colleges for your children and grandchildren.

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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:12 pm
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Originally Posted by JNelson113
I would hope that most of us here are without the sin of committing felonies and being sexual predators.
I am pretty much without sin, but I see no relevancy or need to assassinate that guy's character or past. The guy should not have been pulled off the flight and $800 was far to low. Delta said gate agents can offer up to $2,000, up from a previous maximum of $800, and supervisors can offer up to $9,950, up from $1,350.

This thread is now 3rd highest in terms of replies on the United forum and may reach No.1.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:16 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian
I suspect this story might get a few more days with limited airtime then just fade away .....
CNN will be covering scorpiongate in a few minutes, in their ongoing series "UA cannot do anything right", tune in folks...
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Catbert10
I hope not. This thread has the potential for becoming the biggest ever for this forum. It's now in 3rd and should take over 2nd later today. Just a little more than 300 posts to go until #1
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This thread is now 3rd highest in terms of replies on the United forum and may reach No.1.
Who cares, this thread is not about breaking records for most posts, it is about a serious issue.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:21 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Blaming the victim is something that I find disgusting.

I don't find it disgusting that someone would compare two of their own experiences, as the victim of this UA manhandling did appropriately for himself. I find it disgusting to dismiss people's comparisons where they are comparing two of their own experiences, as it shows a profound lack of empathy.

And one of the big reasons for customer service failures is a lack of empathy for customers.
+1000 ^

The victim shaming demonstrates the weakness of the opposing argument - no way to argue the merits so attack the victim with irrelevant historical data.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:23 pm
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Everything in this thread has already been said 10 times. But of course every day someone new has to come in to tell us how outraged they are..

In the past, people actually died because of shoddy practices at airlines and it somehow was less of a controversy than this.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Everything in this thread has already been said 10 times. But of course every day someone new has to come in to tell us how outraged they are..

In the past, people actually died because of shoddy practices at airlines and it somehow was less of a controversy than this.
And a lot of the same people keep posting the same thing over and over again. I think they are all the ones who want this to be a record breaking thread Just kidding about the last part.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by sw3
I did look into flight schedules and status changes. See my previous post here. While as far as I know UA/Republic/Trans States have not published a timeline of events like this, I think that everything I found and believe according to that public info, if that's actually what happened, confirms that there was likely no other reasonable or possible way to solve the problem at Louisville without disrupting anything other than delaying the ORD-SDF flight while waiting for the crew and having 4 IDBs there. Please check it and comment if I might have missed something.
Why do you assume that was the ONLY crew that could have worked that flight?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:31 pm
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Originally Posted by ermintrude
From
http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/13/news...nger-vouchers/

"A United (UAL) email provided to CNN by a passenger on the flight says customers are eligible for vouchers toward future flights if they "release" the airline from lawsuits. The email offered a voucher worth $500. "

not good.
This is not the time to be so cheap. Is Munoz making all these bad PR decisions himself? Has he been given bad advice? He probably flies top elite all the time and doesn't understand how a regular passenger feels.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by prestonh
I can see the hurried statement coming up the chain of command through HR, being scrubbed of all blame by the HR counsel and given to Oscar for dissemination. The statement was entirely meant as a SOP CYA fire extinguisher (probably even had a template for it), not a PR piece per se. But I can see where PR sent one version up the chain and HR had a completely different version coming out for distribution. And it is completely obvious that there was no involvement with their outside PR firm in the initial stages of this incident.
You would think a good leader is one who can assess the situation and make the right decisions during stressful times. Why would he let the 2nd e-mail go out knowing it would most likely be leaked, like many other internal UA memos?

1 - gamble that it will win employees heart and not cause any public backlash?
2 - someone in the company wants him out?
3 - just not right for the job?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by JNelson113
People fleeing Vietnam had their lives at risk and had to be on rickety boats for weeks to try to get to safety. They had no options.

Dr. Dao had the option to get off the plane. He was asked nicely by multiple people. He told the security folks to drag him off. When they tried he screamed like a banshee and grabbed on to the seat. Was United in the right? No. Did he make the situation much worse for himself? Yes.
Because of the incident, people are finally seeing what the big bully has been doing to the passengers. On the other hand, if he had known he would be assaulted to the point of losing two front teeth and suffering memory loss due to concussion, maybe he would have quietly complied just like most people.

So I don't think he is a hero in a regular sense, but an "accidental hero."
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:44 pm
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Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF
no1cub17... the blog by the pilot's wife was almost pure fiction. ...
Agreed. Especially when I saw how she described the sequence of event, or rather, a revised sequence by saying Dr. Dao started the violence. Here's what she wrote:

"The passenger was forcibly removed by federal aviation security (the disturbing clip that everyone is talking about) after running back into the secured area after being escorted out once. Once he did that, like it or not, they (law enforcement) were under full discretion of the law to apply necessary force to remove the threat. I’m not saying it’s pretty, but the only one who actually broke a law was the passenger. There’s a reason for these laws–it’s called 9/11.... "

She apparently lives in an alternate world, or is trying to convince us with alternate facts. Luckily we've have so many videos and eyewitness accounts that we know that Dr. Dao was sitting in his seats when he was (probably punched in the face first) dragged out, with blood already showing dripping from his mouth.

If she thinks that's the same as "escorted out," she has no credibility. And the videos filmed of him being dragged out was from the first time, not later as she wrote.

At this time, I really wonder if a lawyer for the big bully is behind the article.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by sw3
But it's not that a particular crew member had priority. The prioritization was hundreds of passengers tomorrow vs 4 passengers today, not 4 crew today vs 4 passengers today. By the way the hundreds of passengers tomorrow probably included more than one doctor who also had appointments, and firefighters and teachers and other people who had things to do that could be described as "important" or that impacted on the well-being of others.

It's like the triage you doctors do all the time, because you know that a patient coming from a car crash with internal injuries and broken bones is more important than somebody with a headache, and you will cancel, delay or interrupt the appointment for the headache patient if human or material resource limitations require so. You won't say that the headache patient has to be served first because he is already there, or he has already entered the consultation room, or he has already paid, or he is already seated.

Also, it wasn't a long or overwater flight with no feasible alternatives. Perhaps UA employees weren't ready with information to assist passengers on alternative transportation, if so that would definitely be an aspect to improve. VDB/IDB offers could include something like "we'll take you to the train station and put you on the 12:30 train" or "we'll put you in a van after you get out of the plane" from the start.
A flawed analysis. Only the here and now matters to the impacted passengers and United had many hours to resolve their problem but United's choice was to shove their problem off on a passenger.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 6:13 pm
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Originally Posted by NotSoOftenFlyer
The Federalist also doesn't think it's so obviously a slam dunk
http://thefederalist.com/2017/04/11/...off-the-plane/
If United can't understand its 20+ pages terms of service how are we passengers supposed to understand it?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 6:22 pm
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Originally Posted by ChaseTheMiles
Because of the incident, people are finally seeing what the big bully has been doing to the passengers. On the other hand, if he had known he would be assaulted to the point of losing two front teeth and suffering memory loss due to concussion, maybe he would have quietly complied just like most people.

So I don't think he is a hero in a regular sense, but an "accidental hero."
If he did state something along the line of "you will have to drag me off", seems like he was willing to risk bodily harm.
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