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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by desi
Is it possible that we look "need police to remove someone for IDB" as not a solution but instead eliminate need of IDB in the first place completely? (without affecting airline's bottom line much)
It's somewhat amazing how many posts in this thread ignore the possibility of increasing the VDB payment, instead portraying the situation as a choice between some other, usually horrible, alternatives.

It's not that complicated. And for those who claim it would not be economically rational for UA to do this, you need to explain why DL can afford to increase its VDB payment limit, but UA can't.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by sw3
Do you think the Chicago-Louisville route is like between the LA and SF metro areas where there are flights like every 5 minutes all day long? Well, it's not.
Yes, actually. A brief search on google flights reveals 11 nonstop flights from ORD-SDF on Sunday, May 7.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:44 pm
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Originally Posted by SteveHK
Fresh in my employee inbox:

[B]Dear fellow members of the United family,
...We need to use this regrettable event as a defining moment and pivot off it to craft friendly policies...
Just what does "craft friendly policies" mean? I understand employee friendly and customer friendly, but craft friendly? Does that mean make everyone happy?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:45 pm
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I am a doctor, head of department in my hospital; If I have to go back to my country for a specific day with patient consultations and important appointments awaiting me and while I am sitting on the seat of my plane, I would have, like Dr. D., certainly not appreciated that a member of the crew has priority, while there is no safety reason for the plane.

This story is catastrophic. As a frenchman traveling for 20 years on United (1.5 UA MilionMiler), I no longer trust. And I am ashamed to tell my honorable colleagues that I fly on this company
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:47 pm
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Originally Posted by gold23
I am close to certain that this incident- while hopefully spurring significant change for the positive in how airlines implement policy and treat their passengers- is also going to result in newly empowered jerks feeling as if they have the ability to ignore crew requests.

In fact, for all of us who travel frequently, I'd say that there's 1 or 2 passengers per week that I could envision pushing back with this case as their fuel.

There are reasons crews were given unilateral powers. They've obviously grown to abuse such power (not unexpected), and need to be racheted back. But it needs to be done at the level of the airlines and legislation. The feeling of "I don't like this, let's fight back!" works only when the aggrieved is in the right. Never underestimate the stupidity of the average American.
I'm afraid I don't disagree with you here. But that isn't Dao's fault.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by richarddd
It's somewhat amazing how many posts in this thread ignore the possibility of increasing the VDB payment, instead portraying the situation as a choice between some other, usually horrible, alternatives.

It's not that complicated. And for those who claim it would not be economically rational for UA to do this, you need to explain why DL can afford to increase its VDB payment limit, but UA can't.
Yeah, but not all of us. There isn't a VDB limit as I understand it. They just wouldn't pay enough to get volunteers.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Far better than any of Oscar's communiques.

A little surprised it did not come from Oscar, or Oscar and Milton, together.
Coming from the Chairman is a good move, as it shows the board is focused on the issue, which is important for investors and maybe employees. It includes "We are supporting Oscar", which makes it awkward to have Oscar as a signatory.

Not the most full throated expression of support I've seen, but "we stand behind him 100%" is often a prelude to firing, so who knows.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by richarddd
Just what does "craft friendly policies" mean? I understand employee friendly and customer friendly, but craft friendly? Does that mean make everyone happy?
Craft is the verb there. I did a double-take too. They're going to be nice to the airplane itself? I had to reread it.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Far better than any of Oscar's communiques.
Exactly, this is how you respond to a crisis. Why so unable to say something like this publicly?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by richarddd
Not the most full throated expression of support I've seen, but "we stand behind him 100%" is often a prelude to firing, so who knows.
It can be read as a real expression of support, or as evidence that resignation is imminent.

It does suggest that the board has a broader perspective on the issues raised, and sees the need for a deeper cleanse, than the CEO's prior communications have suggested, which is exactly how the structure is supposed to work.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
Yes, actually. A brief search on google flights reveals 11 nonstop flights from ORD-SDF on Sunday, May 7.
On the day of the incident, April 9, the last flights out in that route were UA3411 at 17:40, AA3509 at 18:40 and UA4771 at 21:00. Not likely that anything other than UA3411 worked for the replacement crew to make it to SDF. Maybe UA4771 and early next day flights could have worked for the IDB'd passengers but perhaps they were sold out. UA should publish how the loads were for their early flights both at the time of the incident and at boarding/departure so that part of the story can be completed.
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
Yeah, but not all of us. There isn't a VDB limit as I understand it. They just wouldn't pay enough to get volunteers.
Certainly not everyone.

There's no VDB limit? I find it odd that they'd give GAs (or their managers) unlimited authority. I'm not doubting you; I don't have any idea about the actual policy.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Imstevek
Thanks for the response, and I apologize for my tone earlier.

My perspective is this: I get concerned that a passengers non-compliance with a request from the ground crew is an indicator that they will selectively choose what requests to obey or not. I'm assuming the ground crew and flight crew are coming with rational requests, not some of the hypothetical gymnastics proposed earlier. I am categorizing IDB as rational for this discussion. Whether it is or not, is a separate argument.
I think that if Dao was going to be delayed two hours, he might have volunteered, or at least acquiesced. So I'm not sure the rationality of this IDB is separable.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 2:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Rdenney
I'm afraid I don't disagree with you here. But that isn't Dao's fault.
It's absolutely not Dao's fault. It is partially the media's fault for fanning all flames, not just those that need to be fanned.

Positive change will come from this, along with some unintended baggage that we'll all likely need to deal with in the form of overly empowered passengers. FA will be put in a really difficult spot....

On the flip side, I do hope this reigns in GA. There's very rarely a safety issue in their roles, and I would say the horrible attitudes and inflexible rulings from GA outnumber bad FA something like 15-1.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by richarddd
Certainly not everyone.

There's no VDB limit? I find it odd that they'd give GAs (or their managers) unlimited authority. I'm not doubting you; I don't have any idea about the actual policy.
There is no regulatory limit to VDB. The regulations only cover IDB.

In United's poisonous culture, who knows if there's an internally-set one.
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