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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by goodeats21
1K, 1MM, and no letter.

As usual, Kacee has hit it on the head. This incident is a symptom of the deep, anti-customer ethos of United. Oscar's original communication (both external and internal) is further evidence.

United is dramatically under-reacting.
As this week's Aviation Week podcast concluded, "that company needs to reassess its operations from a very basic level."

The bottom line is that, rightly or wrongly, UA management doesn't trust its employees to do common sense things, so everything is just dictated by processes, no matter how inane an outcome that may generate.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:14 am
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Let the passengers decide at checkin whether they will sell the Airline the option to buy back their seat for a firm price.

The price could be passage at a time certain plus a bid/choice of:
cash;
voucher;
FF miles;
a combination of the above.

Why this works better than the current method?
If the Airline exercises the option, the seats are quietly reassigned to non-revs and no one on the flight knows how much they could have extracted from the Airline.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:14 am
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Originally Posted by williamluk
United PR should suggest to the Board to fire Munoz's ... before he start laying blame to everyone except himself. Its quite obvious to everyone that he's either a lousy lier or just plain incompetent. The buck has to stop somewhere.
Speaking of United PR, I read an interesting article via flipboard last night. It points out that the head of United's PR reports directly to head of human resources and labor relations. The premise in the article is that is why the CEO's first response was very defensive of the company and employees as it was likely washed through HR. In any case, the employee entitlement culture is supported by poor organization IMHO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0b9e9848aa97e
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:22 am
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Originally Posted by hazelrah
Why didn't they do this? Because they thought they didn't have to and/or they were unwilling to lift a finger to do so.
You can go back 20 or 30 years ago and it was common to book a passenger into the next overbooked a flight a few hours later hoping that a seat opens. I don't believe I have seen that happen in many years. The person receiving 2 or 3 bump vouchers over a 5 hour period was fairly compensated to take the flight the next day.

That booking into oversold flights may be what happened with the family that received $11,000 from Delta last week.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by prestonh
Speaking of United PR, I read an interesting article via flipboard last night. It points out that the head of United's PR reports directly to head of human resources and labor relations. The premise in the article is that is why the CEO's first response was very defensive of the company and employees as it was likely washed through HR. In any case, the employee entitlement culture is supported by poor organization IMHO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0b9e9848aa97e
I thought the two-faced comments were calculated to appease employees whose contracts might be up for negotiations. Otherwise, Oscar has a serious problem. In either case, there is no more credibility with me.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock
I could have sworn I saw in this thread (but not can't find it & the thread is so long, or maybe it was a different thread) a post (or more) that had a chart that showed the IDB rates amongst the various airlines. But now I can't find it. Does anyone have a link?

Cheers.
Unfortunately and/or intentionally, most of the media is running with the belief that UA has the worst IDB rates. But they're basing it off of outdated data in the Economist article. I can't find article with the 2016 rates anymore, but here's Q4 2016.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne...the-worst.html
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:28 am
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Originally Posted by WorldLux
Not really wise of QR. Read a comment from someone booked in F who was downgraded to Y as a result of equipment change (A380 to 777). After another equipment change, he's back on the A380, but still only in Y (despite having booked in F). QR's certainly a good airline, but there are quite a few reports of them having horrible IRROPS.
My wife went through nearly an identical ordeal with Delta. She purchased an A fare ticket for a trip to New York, after which her flight was consolidated with another flight. After the consolidation, she still had a reserved seat in 1st class, when she checked in the night before she had a reserved seat in 1st class, and when she checked her luggage she had a reserved seat.

When she got to the gate, the GA called her up to the counter, and the GA informed her she was bumped to coach because someone with status purchased a first class ticket, citing the pane switch that occurred several weeks ago as the justification for bumping her. This, of course, was contrary to the fare rules since she obtained a reserved seat following the plane switch.

For my wife's case, this was a fairly significant inconvenience. She needed to start working the second she was in NYC (visiting multiple showrooms), and she works during the flight preparing for her meetings. She also has dietary restrictions (legitimate medical need due to food allergies, not just a picky eater according the latest dietary trend) that makes eating at airports/fast food nearly impossible, but airlines can easily accommodate it (only if she is flying first class, of course).

She objected to being bumped to coach and pointed out it was contrary to Delta's fare rules, but they could not care less, and they refused to give her a refund of any type, notwithstanding the fact she had a reserved seat in first class on the actual flight.

As best I can tell, all of the major domestic airlines pull this crap, not just United. It appears that, as rewards under the airlines' loyalty programs become stingier and flights are more flights are operated at full capacity, airlines are squeezing non-status passengers all they can for the benefit of those with status. Of course, this ordinarily falls within the airlines' prerogative, but as airlines ask passengers to give up more and more, it becomes increasingly important that airlines follow their own rules.

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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:35 am
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I'm still scratching my head on the basics. Ok, no other flights to SDF.

What about flights to LEX or CVG? What about flights from Midway. Was outside of the box thinking used at all?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:35 am
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I thought the two-faced comments were calculated to appease employees whose contracts might be up for negotiations. Otherwise, Oscar has a serious problem. In either case, there is no more credibility with me.
I can see the hurried statement coming up the chain of command through HR, being scrubbed of all blame by the HR counsel and given to Oscar for dissemination. The statement was entirely meant as a SOP CYA fire extinguisher (probably even had a template for it), not a PR piece per se. But I can see where PR sent one version up the chain and HR had a completely different version coming out for distribution. And it is completely obvious that there was no involvement with their outside PR firm in the initial stages of this incident.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by minnyfly
Unfortunately and/or intentionally, most of the media is running with the belief that UA has the worst IDB rates. But they're basing it off of outdated data in the Economist article. I can't find article with the 2016 rates anymore, but here's Q4 2016.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne...the-worst.html
Thanks. But those aren't the chart I saw. The one I saw was quite specific with airlines listed down, #s broken out in detail. Some folk even quote the chart in their posts, but now I can't find it.

Cheers.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by zrs70
Was outside of the box thinking used at all?
Of course not. No actual THINKING was used at all. Just follow the written procedures regardless of the consequences...

That's the crux of the problem: a focus on process rather than actual outcome.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:40 am
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:41 am
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Originally Posted by prestonh
Speaking of United PR, I read an interesting article via flipboard last night. It points out that the head of United's PR reports directly to head of human resources and labor relations. The premise in the article is that is why the CEO's first response was very defensive of the company and employees as it was likely washed through HR. In any case, the employee entitlement culture is supported by poor organization IMHO.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0b9e9848aa97e
This is way too generous for Munoz if you asked me. Put aside how [Moderator edit] United is as an airline, Munoz created this whole PR diasterous by issuing 2 horrendous public statements (1 is for employee but you know it will be out there when you have more than 80k employees) or let someone issue them in his name. Ask any CEO of any public company will they ever issue any public statement without at a minimum find out whether the statement is true or not! He obviously knew exactly what happened and try to bury it like other [Moderator edit] the company created. Only when the outcry became so widespread and start involving Congress and Whitehouse, (and most importantly the share price!!) did he put on a fake sad face and appeared on TV claiming he didn't know the facts when the earlier statements came out. The most precious is his claim its the system's fault!! (sounds familiar, right, the murder claimed its not his fault, its the society). The guy is just so [Moderator edit] it not even funny anymore.

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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:43 am
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock
Thanks. But those aren't the chart I saw. The one I saw was quite specific with airlines listed down, #s broken out in detail. Some folk even quote the chart in their posts, but now I can't find it.
The numbers all come from DOT. Here's the basic source:

Passengers Denied Confirmed Space Report.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by prestonh
Speaking of United PR, I read an interesting article via flipboard last night. It points out that the head of United's PR reports directly to head of human resources and labor relations.
Wow, that is manifestly stupid.
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