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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 11:29 pm
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Originally Posted by danielonn
. What I think United needed to do was to make offers either online or at the checkin counter and finally at the gate.
Might be hard to do. From the thread wiki:

After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 11:35 pm
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Originally Posted by danielonn
Yes its very upsetting to me that this man was pulled off the flight as a Physician who for all we know had to perform a surgery . What I think United needed to do was to make offers either online or at the checkin counter and finally at the gate.

I hope the Doctor is at home safe and sound and is on the mend. No way to end either a work related or personal trip.
He's on a restricted license and can only practice internal medicine...he ain't performing surgeries.
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 11:36 pm
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Originally Posted by kenn0223
DL gives AMEX cash cards for VDBs.
True and DL's IDB rates are very low. Perhaps the reasons for this are the multiple consent decrees and fines that they racked up for violating IDB rules systematically? Pretty much most airlines at one time or another are fined and agree to a consent decree, but the back to back fines for DL were far larger and more frequent than others. My guess is that the increased penalties and scrutiny by the DoT to DL for repeated failures, failures to report correctly...etc is why DL's methods are better today. Just as as a result of the Dao incident, I'm sure UA will in the next few months modify their procedures to improve their methods as well. There are no saints until they're being watched. https://www.transportation.gov/brief...ensation-rules
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 11:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
You forget the time element. Getting the flight out as quickly as possible is one of the main priorities of ground staff (and really of all the pax who aren't denied boarding too).

Bartering with pax for the 'VDB sweet spot' as some sort of game show isn't gonna make a lot of people happy if their flight is delayed. And one should remember the effect it has down system. How many times have you been delayed because 'we're waiting for the plane/crew to get here' and how p-ed off were you? Yeah..
This just came to mind:
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 11:56 pm
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THE GOOD | 6 client meetings the past three days and in all six UNITED came up.

THE BAD | Every single client was appalled, and most felt negatively towards UNITED.

THE BOTTOM LINE | Of those asked, not one would fly another airline if it required a connection, or if UNITED was significantly cheaper.

All publicity is good publicity no...
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Old Apr 13, 2017, 11:56 pm
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Originally Posted by ellenyc
"Must fly" is an internal designation, isn't it? That "Pilot's Wife" made it sound like the DOT mandated these employees must get somewhere ASAP. Please. They're not military orders.
However, mandated or not and regardless of the exact wording, it's not in the public interest to delay a whole day of flights for an aircraft that unexpectedly has no available crew to operate it, when the alternative is to delay just enough passengers to accommodate a replacement crew. There's a reason why DOT/FAA mandate airlines to keep very precise records on flight timings and on delay causes and why those statistics are publicly available.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 12:07 am
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Originally Posted by wolf72
Some very ignorant, silly people on here now...."he should adhere to the police..he should disembark...he should not compare this experience to what it was like escaping Vietnam in a raft because my father did it and was insulted Dao compared it..bla bla bla.."

You wonder what's wrong with America in general as a society and as a people when people can sit there and smugly agree with the actions of either UA or the Chicago airport police.

Very sad country I must say. You are very very lucky you don't get treated like .... overseas.
So your solution is ignore a police directive if you think you will be inconvenienced? Dont see that having a good outcome.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 12:08 am
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Originally Posted by nk15
Passenger sitting right behind Dao and filming was on Don Lemon and laughed at the UA fare reimbursement offer, she said "not ready to give up her rights", so, you know what is coming. I thought she explained the drama that occurred well.
Didn't she give up her rights to not be shocked when she choose to watch the rntire thing while there filming the whole thing, with eyes open making zero attempt to mitigate the situation for herself? Doctor, I get blinded when I look into the sun. Ok, patient, don't look into the sun...you may not be able to avoid it completely, but don't stare into it filming for an extended period. (Oh i'm not saying that she could have completely avoid the entire ordeal, but she made no attempt to lessen her trauma, only actually by personal choice, increased her trauma by her own actions.) Those that filmed, while they did a service, also made a choice to watch. Had it not been shocking to begin with, the cameras wouldn't have ever been taken out (which is why the beginning wasnt filmed, as it wasn't worthy of their efforts,) Only when it became shocking, did they watch even more intently, by personal choice, Dies a person have the obligation to mitigate their own trauma by not doing actions to increase it, when then later blame other and asking a court for compensation because they watched it and filmed it? (I don't know the answer, but I'd think that a reasonable person would say they intensified their trauma by own action)

And her potential suit would be against United, or against the DoA? UA's waiver would likely not impact her ability to gain from the party that actually caused her visual trauma

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Old Apr 14, 2017, 12:13 am
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Originally Posted by fastair
Yes, but 5 mile started this with "UAL is down xxx, must be cause Dao's lawyer spoke" without comparing to the industry which was down more as a whole. Facts without context lead to false conclusions. Something internet forums posters seems to overlook often.
Originally Posted by FiveMileFinal
Anyone wanna bet that presser is responsible for the 50 cent nick on UAL shares right now? It was at 70$ right before the start, even for the day.
Little different than what you said I said. Also, like stocks can't be down for different reasons on a particular trading day.

Here's some more stuff :

1. I'm glad United is getting this well-deserved comeuppance.
2. I hope they go out of business but know they likely won't.
3. Dr. Dao is my hero. He stood up to the airline and is gonna get paid big $$$$$$$$$.
4. Did I mention the schadenfreude I'm feeling right now for United already?
5. I really do hope this incites change in the airline industry, even if fares have to go up.
6. I'm ducking out of this thread now for the time being because it's devolved into the letter of the code vs. the interpretation of the code.

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Originally Posted by fastair
... pretty much most airlines at one time or another are fined and agree to a consent decree, but the back to back fines for DL were far larger and more frequent than others. My guess is that the increased penalties and scrutiny by the DoT to DL for repeated failures, failures to report correctly...etc is why DL's methods are better today. Just as as a result of the Dao incident, I'm sure UA will in the next few months modify their procedures to improve their methods as well. There are no saints until they're being watched. https://www.transportation.gov/brief...ensation-rules
This.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 12:35 am
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2. I hope they go out of business but know they likely won't.
You really want 86,000 employees out on the street looking for new jobs, all over something that happened on one of their contracted flights (Republic Airways)?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by minnyfly
Hypothetical example: Let's say that due to inclement weather creating crew legality difficulties on a full ORD-SDF flight, the return SDF-ORD flight, the last flight of the day, would be cancelled if reserve deadhead employees weren't accepted. The choice is either to inconvenience four people for a few hours or the next day, or inconvenience a whole planeload of passengers by stranding them overnight in SDF. The former is clearly a better option as a whole. But if you regulate denied boarding to be prohibitively expensive, the latter will be chosen. Now you have over-regulated and protected nobody.
Exactly, taking prices through the roof for everyone in the process in exchange of improving the probability of not being IDB by 0.0025%.

Any business of any size that depends on external factors happening or not happening to be able to perform and deliver time-sensitive services and products will contractually protect itself from liability if things don't go as they think they were going to happen.

As a puzzle of internal and external factors there's no more complex business in the world than airlines, and by orders of magnitude vs most business types, including all other earthly transportation, yet I'm sure that many who put the blame on airlines for all irrops and that demand that "passengers' rights" be "respected" because "they have paid" and "they are already seated" are themselves florists, caterers, restaurateurs, consultants, photographers, etc. who themselves, in their own contracts with their own customers, reserve the right to cancel service, terminate service early, switch flowers, change ingredients, reschedule appointments, deliver late and send substitutes in case of weather, vehicle or equipment failure, customs delays or refusal of imports, sickness, family emergency or whatever.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 12:40 am
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Originally Posted by tom911
You really want 86,000 employees out on the street looking for new jobs, all over something that happened on one of their contracted flights (Republic Airways)?
Yes. It's called capitalism. You get on board with a {redacted} company you suffer the consequences. A new company that runs better takes over. So if it happens it happens. (But it won't)

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Old Apr 14, 2017, 12:44 am
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Exactly, taking prices through the roof for everyone in the process in exchange of improving the probability of not being IDB by 0.0025%.

Any business of any size that depends on external factors happening or not happening to be able to perform and deliver time-sensitive services and products will contractually protect itself from liability if things don't go as they think they were going to happen.

As a puzzle of internal and external factors there's no more complex business in the world than airlines, and by orders of magnitude vs most business types, including all other earthly transportation, yet I'm sure that many who put the blame on airlines for all irrops and that demand that "passengers' rights" be "respected" because "they have paid" and "they are already seated" are themselves florists, caterers, restaurateurs, consultants, photographers, etc. who themselves, in their own contracts with their own customers, reserve the right to cancel service, terminate service early, switch flowers, change ingredients, reschedule appointments, deliver late and send substitutes in case of weather, vehicle or equipment failure, customs delays or refusal of imports, sickness, family emergency or whatever.
Pause. It has gone way way past self-protection, it has become a profit center.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 1:07 am
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Originally Posted by minnyfly
Hypothetical example: Let's say that due to inclement weather creating crew legality difficulties on a full ORD-SDF flight, the return SDF-ORD flight, the last flight of the day, would be cancelled if reserve deadhead employees weren't accepted. The choice is either to inconvenience four people for a few hours or the next day, or inconvenience a whole planeload of passengers by stranding them overnight in SDF. The former is clearly a better option as a whole. But if you regulate denied boarding to be prohibitively expensive, the latter will be chosen. Now you have over-regulated and protected nobody.
No, making IDB prohibitively expensive means that VDB offers go up. The problem right now is that IDB compensation is ridiculously low. So ridiculously low that, in a practical sense, it's possible for them to hit the IDB compensation limits when they're doing VDBs and still not get volunteers. Then what happens? Well if the company believes they can get away with it without a PR fiasco, they're going to IDB people, because IDB is, at that point, cheaper than VDB. But raise the IDB compensation to, say, 4 times the most expensive ticket sold on the flight, and you'll get VDB offers of $2000-3000 way before you get IDBs. I would argue that setting such IDB compensation levels means we won't see IDBs again, ever. It's still cheaper to pay $2000-3000 each for VDBs than it would be to cancel an entire flight because a flight crew couldn't get into position.
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