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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 3:46 am
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Originally Posted by jaymar01
Not going to be an ongoing issue. Going forward, United's bringing in BlackWater to handle on-board security.
It's been renamed, but the sister of its founder can lead the charge to "educate" customers as the corporate secretary of passenger "education".

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Old Apr 14, 2017, 3:51 am
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Originally Posted by deskover54
That's why my hypothesis is the lawyer he was talking to on the phone was giving him advice specifically in an effort to maximize potential payouts later. When he listened to the advice, he got dragged out and his lawyer said cha-ching.
A conspiracy to milk UA led to this incident? ..... and Neil Armstrong never landed on the moon.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 3:55 am
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Originally Posted by sw3
Exactly, taking prices through the roof for everyone in the process in exchange of improving the probability of not being IDB by 0.0025%.

Any business of any size that depends on external factors happening or not happening to be able to perform and deliver time-sensitive services and products will contractually protect itself from liability if things don't go as they think they were going to happen.

As a puzzle of internal and external factors there's no more complex business in the world than airlines, and by orders of magnitude vs most business types, including all other earthly transportation, yet I'm sure that many who put the blame on airlines for all irrops and that demand that "passengers' rights" be "respected" because "they have paid" and "they are already seated" are themselves florists, caterers, restaurateurs, consultants, photographers, etc. who themselves, in their own contracts with their own customers, reserve the right to cancel service, terminate service early, switch flowers, change ingredients, reschedule appointments, deliver late and send substitutes in case of weather, vehicle or equipment failure, customs delays or refusal of imports, sickness, family emergency or whatever.
The only companies that have made the airline business complicated is the airlines themselves. As businesses they have decided that they need to merge, operate hub networks, minimise redundancy within crew and fleet.

All of the things that you have stated that others have the right to do is also within the rights of airlines to do, what these others don't have is the ability to pick up the phone and have a customer physically removed for commercial reasons. If you want to run a business and insist that increased prices during vacations and last minute are down to market forces should not be immune to those same market forces. Basically an over-sold light requires that the airline purchase back seats - at market rates.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 3:58 am
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Originally Posted by lazard
My dad was a refugee as well. Fled on an tiny overcrowded wooden boat that took near 2 weeks to reach Hong Kong...only half the passengers survived the journey. He was disgusted that Dao would even make such a comparison.
When you have just felt beaten up and aren't sure how you are going to survive, there is nothing wrong with this passenger's comparison of his own two harrowing experiences.

I'm disgusted by wrongful disgust for others. It doesn't change a thing.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 3:58 am
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Originally Posted by deskover54
So change the rules, cancel the other flight, and leave 70 people stranded. Genius.
That is a commercial decision for the airline and has nothing to do with a passenger insisting that a contract legally entered into is honoured.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 4:11 am
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Originally Posted by fastair
Didn't she give up her rights to not be shocked when she choose to watch the rntire thing while there filming the whole thing, with eyes open making zero attempt to mitigate the situation for herself?
No, she didn't. It's well possible to be shocked and wanting to have evidence of the shocking incident in order to better exercise one's rights at that point and/or a later point. There is nothing necessarily exclusive about being shocked, about photography/filming and about still having rights.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 4:28 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
A conspiracy to milk UA led to this incident? ..... and Neil Armstrong never landed on the moon.
It's all a plot orchestrated by the evil henchmen at Boeing and ME3 wanting to force UA onto its knees.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 4:41 am
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Holy smokes! I'd take that and be a very happy camper indeed!!
F pax are rarely IDB', particularly long-haul F pax...but why not? If anything, most carriers who offer international F don't get enough bookings.

The point is to encourage airlines to offer more in VDB.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:29 am
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Originally Posted by Rdenney
I dunno. I think I'd be prepared to argue that sneaking onto the plane past the scanner is a security violation--a person shouldn't be on the plane without the airline knowing they are on the plane.
No need to get police onboard - she had a valid boarding pass for the flight.

GA can easily verify the passenger.

But procedure / CoC andgives them latitude to escalate.

Point being - all the US airlines give s lot of discretion for ground staff to call minor incidents that common sense says are not threatening "threats" or law breaking that need law enforcement involved.

Because the Delta contract of carriage "refusal of transport" section says any "rule" not followed, is reason to deny transport.

Not just what's stated in the contract of carriage.

And United doesn't make being abusive a requirement "Passengers whose conduct is disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent;"

"Disorderly" could mean i boarded with Group 2 while in Group 5. And on Delta it means I broke a "rule."

Enoug for a power tripping employee to escalate.

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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:41 am
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Originally Posted by deskover54
That's why my hypothesis is the lawyer he was talking to on the phone was giving him advice specifically in an effort to maximize potential payouts later. When he listened to the advice, he got dragged out and his lawyer said cha-ching.
You must be kidding me right? So, by this logic, when a random person runs from the police at a traffic stop and gets shot they were actually looking for a payout for police brutality.

Please watch the videos again. The victim says he is on the phone with United, not his lawyer, when he was dragged out of his seat.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:45 am
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Originally Posted by JNelson113
But . . . . if you ask a person to leave the plane and he refuses, you then allow him to fly? I think that's quite a security risk, because he has just shown that he believes that his authority over the flight is superior to that of the flight crew. I would not want to fly on a plane with someone who will not obey crew commands. Many people will now say that the incident was handled incorrectly, etc. Granted. But once he has shown that he won't obey crew commands he must deplane.
That's the Submission Principle, which suggests nobody can be trusted if they don't submit. It's an assumption made by some in law enforcement and some who cheer for them (which, to be honest, I usually do), but it's a false assumption. Especially when the defiance was displayed as rationally as by Dao. He simply said, repeatedly, that he lacked the flexibility to be delayed a whole day, and therefore could not agree to it. When they demanded submission ("We will drag you out if necessary!"), he was then challenged to live up to the principle he was stating. There is nothing about his doing so that even suggests he would have been disruptive during the flight, pose any kind of a risk to other passengers or crew, be impolite to the FA's, or not cooperate in an emergency.

One of the problems I have noted with law enforcement, whose cause I fully support, is that their solution to any confrontation is to control the situation rather than defuse the situation. I believe this is at the root of many of the incidents that have plagued law enforcement in recent years, even thought I have little sympathy for those who challenge their proper law-enforcement authority for the sake of doing so. Dao was not trying to "win" against cops. He was merely trying to get home on time.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:53 am
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Originally Posted by lazard
He's on a restricted license and can only practice internal medicine...he ain't performing surgeries.
But the DOA security people weren't to know that. Nor did Dao claim it. He simple said he was a doctor (true) and he had patients to see (which we can take to be true).

But I agree it doesn't matter. Anyone who has a job whose supervisor (or customers) don't or aren't in a position to care that their provider was bumped by the airline would have been in the same position he was. He's thinking, my patients are all taking off work, or they are sick, and if I don't show up, their time will be wasted and we'll have to rebook a day's full of appointments--let someone who has more flexibility get bumped.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 5:59 am
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Originally Posted by geminidreams
So your solution is ignore a police directive if you think you will be inconvenienced? Dont see that having a good outcome.
True enough. But if a thief holds me up, and I refuse to give him my money, and he shoots me, I will be guilty of stupidity, perhaps, but not of my own murder. People are trying to make Dao guilty of a crime because he stood up to a cop (who is far less of a cop than Dao is of a doctor, ironically). But they didn't threaten to shoot him, they threatened to drag him out. He knew that's what they intended to do, but he may have thought they lacked the authority to do it. He was right, and he was wrong. But the injury is not his fault.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 6:00 am
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Originally Posted by Rdenney
He's thinking, my patients are all taking off work, or they are sick, and if I don't show up, their time will be wasted and we'll have to rebook a day's full of appointments--let someone who has more flexibility get bumped.
He or anyone else could equally be thinking "how much money am I going to lose by not being there."

Doctor is irrelevant here. Hardly the only critical profession where others are impacted and not immune to lost wages being a motivating factor. Which is perfectly fine. But not so unique.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 6:03 am
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Originally Posted by sw3
That's why knee-jerk reactions like "we'll never call police again" should not be made. This would mean that a plane could theoretically be stuck at the tarmac forever if no passengers want to get out voluntarily and nobody wants to take them out by force either. Obviously at some point somebody will choose to leave the plane instead of dying by starvation or by overflowing loos, but while there should be tolerance and calmness where there's a need for deplaning passengers, there should also be limits and standards as to when and how it's time to say enough is enough.
In that case, the airline simply needs to increase compensation in the offers it is making for VDB. Current levels of mandated compensation for IDBs set the "price" artificially low. The solution should be to raise the "price" as needed to get the required number of volunteers. No need for violence or forced removals!
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