Jul 15, 2013, 1:49 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
As of 3 March 2019, UA elites are being matched to the new Marriott Bonvoy Gold level including those UA elites who had gone Marriott Plat status during the Marriott / Starwood merger process. Marriott Bonvoy Gold does not include lounge access and late checkout is 2 PM
Archive Thread RewardsPlus - Comp'ed Marriot/UA status {Archive}
************************************* Information below applied to the previous arrangement with Marriott and parts are out of date ***********************************
FAQs: https://secure.unitedmileageplus.com...s.html?lang=en
Q: If I registered and was granted complimentary Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status through RewardsPlus and have re–qualified for MileagePlus Premier Gold® status or higher for the following year, will I need to also re–register my request for complimentary Gold Elite status for the following year?
A: No. Members who have already registered for and received complimentary Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status through RewardsPlus in a calendar year and who qualify for MileagePlus Premier Gold® status or higher for the following calendar year will have their previous registration with RewardsPlus automatically renewed and will receive complimentary Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status for the following calendar year.
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For the United elites who are new to Marriott Rewards, here are the benefits you receive as Gold. Please familiarize yourself with what you are and are not entitled to as a Marriott Gold.
http://www.marriott.com/rewards/member-benefits/gold.mi
Also, please be nice to the Marriott 'newbies' who come to this forum to figure out what UA Silver gets (or doesn't get) them.
And here is a thread with some details for the newly-minted UA Silvers:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...riences-q.html
RewardsPlus combines the best of MileagePlus and Marriott Rewards
United MileagePlus® and Marriott Rewards® are excited to announce that the exclusive travel benefits of our RewardsPlus program will continue into 2016. Once registered for RewardsPlus, MileagePlus members with Premier® Gold status or higher are eligible for Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status, and all of the benefits that come with it. This year’s status offerings will be effective through January 2017.
Go places you’ve dreamed of in 2016 and elevate your experience everywhere.
• MileagePlus Premiers who are already registered: If you qualify for Premier Gold status or higher for 2016, we’ll automatically renew your benefits in Marriott Rewards for another year, until January 2017
• If you qualify for Premier Gold status or higher for 2016 and have not yet registered, sign-up now. Registration is easy and complimentary, and you’ll enjoy a year of great benefits with an upgrade to Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status
• Marriott Rewards Platinum Elite members who are already registered: If you qualify for Platinum Elite status in Marriott Rewards for 2016, more good news – we’ll automatically renew your benefits in MileagePlus for another year, until January 2017
• All members of both programs: You’ll continue to enjoy a 20% discount every time you convert Marriott Rewards points into MileagePlus miles as well as 10% more miles when you redeem points for RewardsPlus travel packages
Continue to take your benefits above and beyond.
For United MileagePlus members with Premier Gold status or higher, Marriott Rewards will offer Gold Elite status, which includes:
• Lounge access and complimentary continental breakfast at participating JW Marriott®, Renaissance Hotels®, Marriott® Hotels and Autograph Collection® Hotels (Resorts are excluded)
• Room upgrades, based on availability and limited to Member’s personal guest room
• Complimentary in-room enhanced Internet access at more than 3,800 hotels globally
• 25% point bonus on all Marriott stays
• Priority late check-out, based on availability
• Gold Elite customized offers and awards
• One-to-one transfer of MileagePlus miles into Marriott Rewards points, a benefit United’s Premier Silver members will also receive
For Marriott Rewards Platinum Elite members, United MileagePlus will offer Premier Silver status, which includes:
• Complimentary access to Economy Plus® at check-in for you and a companion (when available)
• Complimentary Premier Upgrade confirmation as early as day of departure
• Premier Access® priority airport services, including check-in, baggage handling, security screening (where available) and boarding
• One complimentary checked bag, standard size
• 7 award miles for every dollar you spend on United flights*
Elevate your travel experience with another year of RewardsPlus. For more information about RewardsPlus and to learn how to register, visit united.com/rewardsplus or mrrewardsplus.com.
https://hub.united.com/en-us/news/loyalty-program/pages/elevate-your-experience-with-united-mileageplus-and-marriott-rewards.aspx
While not publicly stated, in 2017, Marriott Platinum Premiers were matched as United Premier Gold (Marriott Platinum Elites are matched as Premier Silver)
and United Global Services members were matched as Marriott Platinum Elites (appears this was for 2017 only and will not be offered in 2018)
Archive Thread RewardsPlus - Comp'ed Marriot/UA status {Archive}
************************************* Information below applied to the previous arrangement with Marriott and parts are out of date ***********************************
FAQs: https://secure.unitedmileageplus.com...s.html?lang=en
Q: If I registered and was granted complimentary Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status through RewardsPlus and have re–qualified for MileagePlus Premier Gold® status or higher for the following year, will I need to also re–register my request for complimentary Gold Elite status for the following year?
A: No. Members who have already registered for and received complimentary Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status through RewardsPlus in a calendar year and who qualify for MileagePlus Premier Gold® status or higher for the following calendar year will have their previous registration with RewardsPlus automatically renewed and will receive complimentary Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status for the following calendar year.
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For the United elites who are new to Marriott Rewards, here are the benefits you receive as Gold. Please familiarize yourself with what you are and are not entitled to as a Marriott Gold.
http://www.marriott.com/rewards/member-benefits/gold.mi
Also, please be nice to the Marriott 'newbies' who come to this forum to figure out what UA Silver gets (or doesn't get) them.
And here is a thread with some details for the newly-minted UA Silvers:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...riences-q.html
RewardsPlus combines the best of MileagePlus and Marriott Rewards
United MileagePlus® and Marriott Rewards® are excited to announce that the exclusive travel benefits of our RewardsPlus program will continue into 2016. Once registered for RewardsPlus, MileagePlus members with Premier® Gold status or higher are eligible for Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status, and all of the benefits that come with it. This year’s status offerings will be effective through January 2017.
Go places you’ve dreamed of in 2016 and elevate your experience everywhere.
• MileagePlus Premiers who are already registered: If you qualify for Premier Gold status or higher for 2016, we’ll automatically renew your benefits in Marriott Rewards for another year, until January 2017
• If you qualify for Premier Gold status or higher for 2016 and have not yet registered, sign-up now. Registration is easy and complimentary, and you’ll enjoy a year of great benefits with an upgrade to Marriott Rewards Gold Elite status
• Marriott Rewards Platinum Elite members who are already registered: If you qualify for Platinum Elite status in Marriott Rewards for 2016, more good news – we’ll automatically renew your benefits in MileagePlus for another year, until January 2017
• All members of both programs: You’ll continue to enjoy a 20% discount every time you convert Marriott Rewards points into MileagePlus miles as well as 10% more miles when you redeem points for RewardsPlus travel packages
Continue to take your benefits above and beyond.
For United MileagePlus members with Premier Gold status or higher, Marriott Rewards will offer Gold Elite status, which includes:
• Lounge access and complimentary continental breakfast at participating JW Marriott®, Renaissance Hotels®, Marriott® Hotels and Autograph Collection® Hotels (Resorts are excluded)
• Room upgrades, based on availability and limited to Member’s personal guest room
• Complimentary in-room enhanced Internet access at more than 3,800 hotels globally
• 25% point bonus on all Marriott stays
• Priority late check-out, based on availability
• Gold Elite customized offers and awards
• One-to-one transfer of MileagePlus miles into Marriott Rewards points, a benefit United’s Premier Silver members will also receive
For Marriott Rewards Platinum Elite members, United MileagePlus will offer Premier Silver status, which includes:
• Complimentary access to Economy Plus® at check-in for you and a companion (when available)
• Complimentary Premier Upgrade confirmation as early as day of departure
• Premier Access® priority airport services, including check-in, baggage handling, security screening (where available) and boarding
• One complimentary checked bag, standard size
• 7 award miles for every dollar you spend on United flights*
Elevate your travel experience with another year of RewardsPlus. For more information about RewardsPlus and to learn how to register, visit united.com/rewardsplus or mrrewardsplus.com.
https://hub.united.com/en-us/news/loyalty-program/pages/elevate-your-experience-with-united-mileageplus-and-marriott-rewards.aspx
While not publicly stated, in 2017, Marriott Platinum Premiers were matched as United Premier Gold (Marriott Platinum Elites are matched as Premier Silver)
and United Global Services members were matched as Marriott Platinum Elites (appears this was for 2017 only and will not be offered in 2018)
RewardsPlus - Comp'ed Marriot/UA status {Highest UA comp'ed status now Marriott Gold}
Jul 4, 2018, 1:04 am
#121
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 3,359
).Those are my two cents, and certainly understand the other perspectives shared.
Safe Travels,
James
Jul 4, 2018, 5:35 am
#122
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: CHS
Programs: UA GS, Bonvoy Amabassador, Hertz PC
Posts: 2,589
That status linking is talking the SPG <-> Marriott linking which temporarily gave the SPG folks some extra benefits
Marriott gold of today is the same as Platinum of tomorrow
Platinum of today is Platinum preimere of tomorrow
No matter what you say or think, we have ZERO idea of how the program will look after August, so sit back, have a glass of sweet tea and patiently wait for the details, cause anything we think will happen is nothing more than some person with a colander on their head fearing the worst.
Marriott gold of today is the same as Platinum of tomorrow
Platinum of today is Platinum preimere of tomorrow
No matter what you say or think, we have ZERO idea of how the program will look after August, so sit back, have a glass of sweet tea and patiently wait for the details, cause anything we think will happen is nothing more than some person with a colander on their head fearing the worst.
Jul 4, 2018, 5:44 am
#123
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: IAD...and loving it?!
Programs: UA Platinum (1MM Gold), HH Diamond, Marriott Gold
Posts: 858
I got an e-mail to that effect from Marriott.
However, if you read the fine print, it isn't so clear, and indeed, suggests that UA RewardsPlus-granted status will not simply be bumped up:
Notice that last line: "Elite tier will be based on the status earned, not status granted via linking and status matching."
Seems somewhat clear to me that a Marriott Gold matched from UA Gold/Plat/1K will only be Marriot Devalued Gold come August.
However, if you read the fine print, it isn't so clear, and indeed, suggests that UA RewardsPlus-granted status will not simply be bumped up:
Notice that last line: "Elite tier will be based on the status earned, not status granted via linking and status matching."
Seems somewhat clear to me that a Marriott Gold matched from UA Gold/Plat/1K will only be Marriot Devalued Gold come August.
I'd just like to time warp ahead 8 weeks and know what actually will happen since at the moment it remains unclear (but slightly more hopeful given the email quoted by hotelexec).
Jul 4, 2018, 6:31 am
#124
Join Date: Nov 2012
Programs: BA Bronze, United 1K, HH Gold, SPG Platinum, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 3,477
Certainly as a UA elite I would be pretty livid if I saw kettles with a credit card waltzing into a UC or taking up a valuable E+ seat just because they hold some fancy credit card or redeemed points for a J ticket. SPMarriott has given up a lot (i.e. Gold status) for little in return for their own elites (i.e. UA Silver which these days only gets you an extra cup of coffee on UX flights ).
).UA Silver is nice to have. Passengers traveling with luggage save some money on domestic flights and lots more if they want to travel to some foreign destinations with two pieces of checked luggage. Also consider passengers traveling one time a year to Asia or Europe or South America (this is an example of passengers who may not attain UA Silver just by flying): on most of my flights, at check-in 24 hours before the flight, Economy + still has many good seats available: that's easily $150-$200 saved per direction. On my domestic flights, there are usually less Economy + seats left at check-in but still some and then some good ones open when other passengers get upgraded.
I think any passenger can request a second cup of coffee if there's time. No need to be UA Silver for that.
Jul 4, 2018, 3:54 pm
#125
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 1,277
That status linking is talking the SPG <-> Marriott linking which temporarily gave the SPG folks some extra benefits
Marriott gold of today is the same as Platinum of tomorrow
Platinum of today is Platinum preimere of tomorrow
No matter what you say or think, we have ZERO idea of how the program will look after August, so sit back, have a glass of sweet tea and patiently wait for the details, cause anything we think will happen is nothing more than some person with a colander on their head fearing the worst.
Marriott gold of today is the same as Platinum of tomorrow
Platinum of today is Platinum preimere of tomorrow
No matter what you say or think, we have ZERO idea of how the program will look after August, so sit back, have a glass of sweet tea and patiently wait for the details, cause anything we think will happen is nothing more than some person with a colander on their head fearing the worst.
Jul 4, 2018, 5:49 pm
#126
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: CLE
Programs: UA GS+LT UC, AA EXP+LT PLT, Fairmont LT PLT, Marriott PLT, Hilton DIA, Hyatt Glob, Avis CHM
Posts: 4,671
Marriott Golds via UA will be Marriott Plat from August-February when a brand new program name will launch.
The status linking verbiage is to exclude AMEX Plat cardholders who have Marriott Gold via SPG Gold. They will remain Marriott Gold in August.
The end.
The status linking verbiage is to exclude AMEX Plat cardholders who have Marriott Gold via SPG Gold. They will remain Marriott Gold in August.
The end.
Jul 5, 2018, 5:15 am
#127
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
Notice that last line: "Elite tier will be based on the status earned, not status granted via linking and status matching."
My interpretation is that "status matching" refers to members in the current respective programs who were matched from a third party such as Hilton or Hyatt while "linking" refers to members who attained a status in one program as a result of status in the other. For instance, if your primary loyalty is to MR and you had Platinum Elite in that program you were matched to Platinum Preferred in SPG. If at the time of conversion you only reached Gold in MR for 2018 you will become Platinum (formerly gold) in the new program, NOT Platinum Premier because of your link to SPG Platinum Preferred. Your final status in the New Program will be determined by the sum of the stays from both MR & SPG.
Also, EVERYONE will be getting a new account number in the New Program.
The RewardsPlus program is, I believe, a separate entity apart from the linking and status matching aforementioned. Does that mean it will be status quo with MR Golds becoming Platinum in the new program? Possibly, but I think at the detriment of the Platinum Premiere in the new program.
RewardsPlus favours UA MileagePlus members over Current MR Platinum Elites as I see it. There is a lot more incentive to attain Gold in UA for current Gold in MR than for a MR member to spend an additional 50% more nights to attain UA Silver. The benefits are pretty much worthless and certainly not commensurate. It is apparent that Marriott values UA gold/platinum/1K more than UA values MR Platinum Elites. Perhaps UA was a better negotiator. The reality is that with status matching, RewardsPlus, Credit Card affiliations and the monetization of benefits on standard room "packages" for non-elites, the Elite Program has been watered down.
I can perhaps see that the RewardsPlus program will be changed/admended so that UA Gold will remain Gold in the new program while UA Platinum/1K will move to Platinum.
There may be a grace period through the end of the year but if UA Gold maintains Platinum in the new program I am officially severing my loyalty to Marriott. I can do a few quick UA Mileage Runs in January, obtain UA Gold and be granted Platinum in Marriotts new program for a couple grand rather than $10K-$15K to obtain it organically. The differential, in my experience, between current MR Gold & MR Platinum Elite isn't exponentially better to warrant the additional effort to attain it. I am more interested in the value of the benefits to me rather than any perceived prestige. Being granted Platinum from UA Gold, should it go that way, would give me the benefits I enjoy without requiring staunch loyalty to Marriott or UA beyond meeting the requirments of obtaining UA Gold.
James
Last edited by Flying for Fun; Jul 5, 2018 at 5:24 am
Jul 5, 2018, 6:16 am
#128
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: New Jersey
Programs: UA MM 1K, AA MM Gold, Marriott LT Platinum
Posts: 3,236
Jul 5, 2018, 12:22 pm
#129
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Plat 1.995MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Plat/LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 66,857
Disagree with the assessment of imbalance. Marriott lounge was balanced against UA E+ access and domestic bag allowance (and few other benefits). Obviously, either benefit is only of value to those that make use of them and perhaps modify their patterns to do so.
And as mentioned, the continued offering of such benefits will depend on the economic benefits they generate for Marriott & UA.
And as mentioned, the continued offering of such benefits will depend on the economic benefits they generate for Marriott & UA.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jul 5, 2018 at 12:36 pm Reason: spelling
Jul 5, 2018, 3:12 pm
#130
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: None - previously UA
Posts: 4,867
All you need is 12.5K PQM to get it via the challenge though. One economy trip to Europe would be enough and you have Marriott Platinum status for 18 months which others had to earn with 50 nights. The issue here is Marriott using a high bar status as a marketing tool and aggravating long time loyal customers. The end result may be closer to a zero sum than they think. For example since I will soon be within spitting distance of 1MM on UA that seems to be the shorter path to Marriott gold/Platinum than actually getting the nights.
Jul 5, 2018, 3:15 pm
#131
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: CLE
Programs: UA GS+LT UC, AA EXP+LT PLT, Fairmont LT PLT, Marriott PLT, Hilton DIA, Hyatt Glob, Avis CHM
Posts: 4,671
All you need is 12.5K PQM to get it via the challenge though. One economy trip to Europe would be enough and you have Marriott Platinum status for 18 months which others had to earn with 50 nights. The issue here is Marriott using a high bar status as a marketing tool and aggravating long time loyal customers. The end result may be closer to a zero sum than they think. For example since I will soon be within spitting distance of 1MM on UA that seems to be the shorter path to Marriott gold/Platinum than actually getting the nights.
Jul 5, 2018, 3:19 pm
#132
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Plat 1.995MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Plat/LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 66,857
And Marriott has it own marketing programs -- If one is looking for sustained status, these one-time promos are a different consideration. Meaning compare promos to promos or compare sustained approaches to each other.
Jul 5, 2018, 3:41 pm
#133
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
That would be at least 100 hours of in-air time, not what most would consider quick. Especially if going for low cost and economy seating.
Disagree with the assessment of imbalance. Marriott lounge was balanced against UA E+ access and domestic bag allowance (and few other benefits). Obviously, either benefit is only of value to those that make use of them and perhaps modify their patterns to do so.
And as mentioned, the continued offering of such benefits will depend on the economic benefits they generate for Marriott & UA.
And as mentioned, the continued offering of such benefits will depend on the economic benefits they generate for Marriott & UA.
You cannot reach New Platinum in January based on stays, not enough days in the month to do that. You can, however attain UA Gold in that time frame, that is quick relative to stays. Who really cares about a bag fee? If I am spending $2K to attain New Platinum via RewardsPlus on flights the bag fee is inconsequential compared to spending $10K+ on organic stays for the same benefit. Furthermore, the bag fee goes away when attaing UA Silver organically anyway.We will have to agree to disagree on inbalance. How is UA E+ balanced against Marriott Lounge Access when one is guaranteed and the other is not? Would you be incentivized to attain UA Gold if your lounge access was dependent on how busy it was when you wanted to use it? Enjoy late check-out for that later international flight? Sorry, not today. Enjoy breakfast before that meeting? Sorry we didn't buy enough eggs to accommodate you today. E+ ACCESS is not the same as Lounge, Late Check out & Breakfast GUARANTEED! The ONLY thing guarateed for an organic MR Platinum Elite is a fee free checked bag for the first 25K UA miles flown. PERIOD! Existing MR Golds are eligible for upgrades too. If a MR Gold granted from UA Gold+ arrives at a hotel an hour before I do and gets the last available upgrade then shouldn't a MR Platinum Elite granted UA Silver get the last upgrade on a flight when arriving at the airport before a UA Gold+? It is easy to argue "balance" when you are on the "favourable" side! There is nothing balanced about it. Marriott is telling me I should be loyal to United because we will grant you Platinum for less loyalty and cost. Would you be willing to swap positions? Didn't think so? As such, I remain and happy to USE UA to attain Gold and be granted New Platinum at a fraction of the outlay because apparently Marriott values UA Gold+ members more than their own organic Elites.
As my Moniker says, I am Flying for Fun; 100% self-funded leisure. I already have 64 stays combined this year, spent the first 2 months of 2018 on an RTW trip booked in Business and First for 2 on awards and currently have 37 Y & J & F flights booked between August and November and another 17 between February and March. That leaves me January for UA Mileage Runs and UA Gold.
Now that is quick! James
Jul 5, 2018, 4:17 pm
#134
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
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. That's fine, we are individuals with different viewpoint of the relative benefits and would naturally disagree.
If this was problem, then that might be an issue but reports are that is very rarely an issue,
Silvers: Report your experience with E+ seating at T-24hrs here.
and United Silver Status - Experiences/Q&A
occasionally on last minute hub-to-hub flights, however, generally not an issue
And some of those may have gotten less favorable seating due to a match Marriott Plat checking earlier
In practice that's not true as real-life experiences show and there are other benefits, https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...solidated.html as there are other Marriott Plat benefits than may or may not be of value to specific individuals
Probably not the typical profile for a Marriott Plat and probably not a prototype customer to be designing your programs around.
Understand you value your Marriott benefits higher than what you seem to fear you will/have lose because of this reciprocal program, but there are other points of view. And none of us know how this is going to turn out, as I for one, plan to just wait and see, and than make a decision that works for me personally -- I would not expect you to do different. Marriott / UA have a vast range of customers to consider and they have the date, we'll see what they do (in their self-interest)
Silvers: Report your experience with E+ seating at T-24hrs here.
and United Silver Status - Experiences/Q&A
occasionally on last minute hub-to-hub flights, however, generally not an issue
And some of those may have gotten less favorable seating due to a match Marriott Plat checking earlier
..... As my Moniker says, I am Flying for Fun; 100% self-funded leisure. I already have 64 stays combined this year, spent the first 2 months of 2018 on an RTW trip booked in Business and First for 2 on awards and currently have 37 Y & J & F flights booked between August and November and another 17 between February and March. That leaves me January for UA Mileage Runs and UA Gold. Now that is quick! ...
Now that is quick! ...Understand you value your Marriott benefits higher than what you seem to fear you will/have lose because of this reciprocal program, but there are other points of view. And none of us know how this is going to turn out, as I for one, plan to just wait and see, and than make a decision that works for me personally -- I would not expect you to do different. Marriott / UA have a vast range of customers to consider and they have the date, we'll see what they do (in their self-interest)
Jul 5, 2018, 4:56 pm
#135
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: CLE
Programs: UA GS+LT UC, AA EXP+LT PLT, Fairmont LT PLT, Marriott PLT, Hilton DIA, Hyatt Glob, Avis CHM
Posts: 4,671
At least 100 hours of in-flight time.... There are 168 hours in a week! You cannot reach New Platinum in January based on stays, not enough days in the month to do that. You can, however attain UA Gold in that time frame, that is quick relative to stays. Who really cares about a bag fee? If I am spending $2K to attain New Platinum via RewardsPlus on flights the bag fee is inconsequential compared to spending $10K+ on organic stays for the same benefit. Furthermore, the bag fee goes away when attaing UA Silver organically anyway.
James
You cannot reach New Platinum in January based on stays, not enough days in the month to do that. You can, however attain UA Gold in that time frame, that is quick relative to stays. Who really cares about a bag fee? If I am spending $2K to attain New Platinum via RewardsPlus on flights the bag fee is inconsequential compared to spending $10K+ on organic stays for the same benefit. Furthermore, the bag fee goes away when attaing UA Silver organically anyway.James