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What Route(s) do You Wish UA Flew? [Archive thread]
#1726
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 352
Kirby recently implied in an interview that there is a surprisingly large demand for the forward cabins from SFO leisure travelers. Simply a large concentration of wealth in Silicon Valley. SFO-AMS is a good example. Route doing well with limited corporate interest.
TPAC C fares also tend to be reasonable outside of the JV (aka collusion) sectors. I think SFO-BKK would do extremely well. If the 2nd SIN route fails, I think UA would give SFO-BKK a shot before redeploying those frames outside SE Asia. You could also make a strong case for SFO-BLR, depending on how SFO-DEL does when it launches in Dec...
TPAC C fares also tend to be reasonable outside of the JV (aka collusion) sectors. I think SFO-BKK would do extremely well. If the 2nd SIN route fails, I think UA would give SFO-BKK a shot before redeploying those frames outside SE Asia. You could also make a strong case for SFO-BLR, depending on how SFO-DEL does when it launches in Dec...
SFO and AMS are both large biotech, tech, finance, and academic centers, with affluent populations. All of those are ingredients to corporate J tickets, and clearly the route will be successful, it is just whether UA can eat some of KLM's lunch.
Unfortunately, I don't see any of these ingredients at BKK, so it would have to rely mainly on USA->BKK tourism to support an 8000 mile route. The main selling point is the fact that there are currently no direct flights to the USA, but perhaps there is a reason for this. I haven't followed the Thai economy closely, but my understanding is the political situation since 2014 (around when UA bailed out) is not good, and the Thai growth rate has not been on par with other emerging economies.
BLR is a large tech center and this route might do well, but it is 250 miles farther than SFO-SIN (1000 miles farther than SFO-DEL). It also requires traversing mainland China airspace and the Himalayas. Is it technically possible without significant seat blocking?
#1727
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: NYC (Primarily EWR)
Programs: UA 1K / *G, Marriott Bonvoy Gold; Avis PC
Posts: 9,010
SFO-PPT is clearly a leisure-heavy route that seems to be doing well, and this is probably what Kirby is referring to. But it is half the great-circle distance of BKK, and costs also matter.
SFO and AMS are both large biotech, tech, finance, and academic centers, with affluent populations. All of those are ingredients to corporate J tickets, and clearly the route will be successful, it is just whether UA can eat some of KLM's lunch.
Unfortunately, I don't see any of these ingredients at BKK, so it would have to rely mainly on USA->BKK tourism to support an 8000 mile route. The main selling point is the fact that there are currently no direct flights to the USA, but perhaps there is a reason for this. I haven't followed the Thai economy closely, but my understanding is the political situation since 2014 (around when UA bailed out) is not good, and the Thai growth rate has not been on par with other emerging economies.
BLR is a large tech center and this route might do well, but it is 250 miles farther than SFO-SIN (1000 miles farther than SFO-DEL). It also requires traversing mainland China airspace and the Himalayas. Is it technically possible without significant seat blocking?
SFO and AMS are both large biotech, tech, finance, and academic centers, with affluent populations. All of those are ingredients to corporate J tickets, and clearly the route will be successful, it is just whether UA can eat some of KLM's lunch.
Unfortunately, I don't see any of these ingredients at BKK, so it would have to rely mainly on USA->BKK tourism to support an 8000 mile route. The main selling point is the fact that there are currently no direct flights to the USA, but perhaps there is a reason for this. I haven't followed the Thai economy closely, but my understanding is the political situation since 2014 (around when UA bailed out) is not good, and the Thai growth rate has not been on par with other emerging economies.
BLR is a large tech center and this route might do well, but it is 250 miles farther than SFO-SIN (1000 miles farther than SFO-DEL). It also requires traversing mainland China airspace and the Himalayas. Is it technically possible without significant seat blocking?
#1728
Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: United
Posts: 73
IAH/PEK
Any thoughts on IAH/PEK? Air China has been flying this route regularly for the past several years and it seems to be quite popular. I’m Houston-based and fly to China regularly, typically through SFO and ORD (my hands are tied to a USA-flagged carrier). I’m interested to know your thoughts on this one.
#1729
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Los Angeles, California
Programs: United, American, Delta, Hyatt, Hilton, Hertz, Marriott
Posts: 14,807
I’d love to see a nonstop flight to PER from the west coast too. Once UA has the equipment, I hope they do it.
#1730
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 21,417
Any thoughts on IAH/PEK? Air China has been flying this route regularly for the past several years and it seems to be quite popular. I’m Houston-based and fly to China regularly, typically through SFO and ORD (my hands are tied to a USA-flagged carrier). I’m interested to know your thoughts on this one.
#1731
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: UA MM
Posts: 4,130
No, they wouldn't, because they've immunized the AC/LH/SN/OS/UA TATL JV, which is why the fares are the same.
Even if they didn't -- airlines match each others' prices regularly. It's legal to match the price that someone else is charging; it's illegal to discuss that price with them in advance, before setting it (except where you have anti-trust immunity).
Even if they didn't -- airlines match each others' prices regularly. It's legal to match the price that someone else is charging; it's illegal to discuss that price with them in advance, before setting it (except where you have anti-trust immunity).
#1732
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ORD
Programs: 1K, MM, Marriott Plat
Posts: 427
While probably not an interest to many, would love to see ORD - RHI. Currently, the only option is Delta, ORD - MSP - RHI, at an average price of $400 during the summer and most flights booked. It seems a regional jet would do well, even if only 1x per day.
#1733
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 21,417
The population of Oneida County is only about 35K; I don't know that UA will want to take on DL in that market, especially when they already have service to CWA, which is only about 70 miles away.
#1734
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Outside of Cleveland Ohio
Programs: UA *G. DL ̶G̶O̶L̶D̶ Member, Hilton/SPG Gold, Hertz PC
Posts: 362
Kirby recently implied in an interview that there is a surprisingly large demand for the forward cabins from SFO leisure travelers. Simply a large concentration of wealth in Silicon Valley. SFO-AMS is a good example. Route doing well with limited corporate interest.
TPAC C fares also tend to be reasonable outside of the JV (aka collusion) sectors. I think SFO-BKK would do extremely well. If the 2nd SIN route fails, I think UA would give SFO-BKK a shot before redeploying those frames outside SE Asia. You could also make a strong case for SFO-BLR, depending on how SFO-DEL does when it launches in Dec...
TPAC C fares also tend to be reasonable outside of the JV (aka collusion) sectors. I think SFO-BKK would do extremely well. If the 2nd SIN route fails, I think UA would give SFO-BKK a shot before redeploying those frames outside SE Asia. You could also make a strong case for SFO-BLR, depending on how SFO-DEL does when it launches in Dec...
Would also take 3 777/787 aircraft to run daily service to BLR from the USA, that's a lot of capacity to fill.
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#1735
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Boulder, CO
Programs: UA Silver
Posts: 120
They'll never do it, but I'd love to see SJC - IAD or DCA. It's bizarre to me that I can get to Tokyo and London from SJC, but not Washington DC. Maybe the business isn't there, or more likely, they bet people will drive up to SFO for a non-stop (sadly a good bet in my case). But if any carrier ever decides to offer a non stop San Jose - DC, I'll move the majority of my business to them / their partners straight away.
#1736
Join Date: Nov 2014
Programs: UA 2MM
Posts: 1,679
SFO-PER is 7955nm which is ~125nm more than PER-LHR, so a 789 could theoretically make it (possibly with weight restrictions), however I honestly don't know if there is enough demand from WA to the U.S., QF from PER-LHR can get connecting traffic from the east coast (~35% I believe), but no one would connect in PER to get to the US.
#1737
Join Date: Nov 2014
Programs: UA 2MM
Posts: 1,679
Now that UA has started a few of my prior wishlist, my new list is:
ORD-TXL (switching to BER when it opens in 2058), as I hate connecting in EWR
DEN-SRQ, for more than 4 Saturdays in March (although interestingly on the recent IAD-SRQ announcement, the press release said UA serves SRQ from DEN, so here is hoping
DEN-AMS
SFO-BNE
ORD-TXL (switching to BER when it opens in 2058), as I hate connecting in EWR
DEN-SRQ, for more than 4 Saturdays in March (although interestingly on the recent IAD-SRQ announcement, the press release said UA serves SRQ from DEN, so here is hoping
DEN-AMS
SFO-BNE
#1738
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 21,417
They'll never do it, but I'd love to see SJC - IAD or DCA. It's bizarre to me that I can get to Tokyo and London from SJC, but not Washington DC. Maybe the business isn't there, or more likely, they bet people will drive up to SFO for a non-stop (sadly a good bet in my case). But if any carrier ever decides to offer a non stop San Jose - DC, I'll move the majority of my business to them / their partners straight away.
SFO-PER is 7955nm which is ~125nm more than PER-LHR, so a 789 could theoretically make it (possibly with weight restrictions), however I honestly don't know if there is enough demand from WA to the U.S., QF from PER-LHR can get connecting traffic from the east coast (~35% I believe), but no one would connect in PER to get to the US.
One thing they might do is try adding something like SFO-CNS-PER or SFO-BNE-PER. They have a couple of these domestically now on Untied Express, and while it's obviously not as nice as a nonstop, it could allow them to serve two markets, neither of which might be profitable on their own.
#1739
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: In between IAD and DCA
Programs: UA Plat 1.1MM , Marriott Gold Elite, Hyatt Discoverist
Posts: 2,262
IAD-ICN. Two capital cities, lots of Korean-Americans in the DC area, and connections to Asiana in Seoul. I guess they're just afraid of competing with Korean Airlines or there's some sort of Asiana/UA agreement where UA can't fly it since it'd cut in too much to Asiana's US-ICN routes.
#1740
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 352
IAD-ICN. Two capital cities, lots of Korean-Americans in the DC area, and connections to Asiana in Seoul. I guess they're just afraid of competing with Korean Airlines or there's some sort of Asiana/UA agreement where UA can't fly it since it'd cut in too much to Asiana's US-ICN routes.