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Old Dec 16, 2012 | 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by bocastephen

Only time will tell....but an independent AA will at least provide an emergency escape hatch if my second thought turns out accurate.
If AA stays independent, their union issues are settled and they start flying from my airport again, I would be very very tempted. I like their new energy and their new fresh upcoming fleet. Kinda like CO in the late 90s...
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Old Dec 16, 2012 | 3:29 pm
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They'd lose a lot of the loyalty they have with FFs with this kind of system.
Au contraire....thy would actually be giving the upgrades arguably to the most loyal......
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Old Dec 16, 2012 | 4:03 pm
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Originally Posted by WineCountryUA
This is not a new idea and, for instance, was done a few few years back (june 2008) by AC & Aeroplan
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18889049-post2.html
its ended up a disaster. Air Canada looks like its going to take back a lot of control 2013 March and the Aeroplan spin off destroyed the Air Canada program. Scam charges and the FF who can leave have left. Air Canada is left with passengers who are stranded within Air Canada's monopoly.
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well I was holding out, hoping I'd see an announcement of being able to use GPU's on lower fare classes, but alas, I gave in and booked some intl flights with R open in V class for next year...

I think everyone was thinking nothing will change, and now I agree with them myself !!
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Old Dec 16, 2012 | 5:31 pm
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Originally Posted by IflyfromABE
If AA stays independent, their union issues are settled and they start flying from my airport again, I would be very very tempted. I like their new energy and their new fresh upcoming fleet. Kinda like CO in the late 90s...
If they started flying SFO-HKG and SFO-NRT and SFO-LHR, I'd be there.

The most optimistic and hopeful notion I can come up with is: They start running some numbers over the next 4 weeks, discover that the number of disappearing elites is far higher than they ever imagined, and they hire a new finance intern who discovers that those elites were actually worth having, then they grant "same status as 2012" to everyone who didn't re-qualify at the same level for 2013, recognizing the negative impact that the long list of failures has had on us. Until this week, such a notion would have been unimaginable. But, if Smisek actually fired the guy who was responsible for the war on elites and replaced him with a respected UA veteran ... it could be possible.

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Old Dec 16, 2012 | 8:04 pm
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Originally Posted by andyh64000
My guess is that the upgrade list will become an Ebay style auction with priority in order of highest to lowest bidder. Bidding ends 20 minutes prior to departure with no status required.
Sounds great! Maybe gas stations, grocery stores and department stores should do this also. Why bother to have fixed prices on anything !

Why just do it on upgrades - do it on the base flights (oops I forgot, it is already that way).
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Old Dec 17, 2012 | 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by mitchmu
If they started flying SFO-HKG and SFO-NRT and SFO-LHR, I'd be there.

The most optimistic and hopeful notion I can come up with is: They start running some numbers over the next 4 weeks, discover that the number of disappearing elites is far higher than they ever imagined, and they hire a new finance intern who discovers that those elites were actually worth having, then they grant "same status as 2012" to everyone who didn't re-qualify at the same level for 2013, recognizing the negative impact that the long list of failures has had on us. Until this week, such a notion would have been unimaginable. But, if Smisek actually fired the guy who was responsible for the war on elites and replaced him with a respected UA veteran ... it could be possible.
Gosh I hope not! I was hoping for a mass exodus leaving more CPU room for this Lowly Platinum.
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Old Dec 17, 2012 | 8:11 am
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Originally Posted by dmurphynj
Gosh I hope not! I was hoping for a mass exodus leaving more CPU room for this Lowly Platinum.
Curious to see how many UA flyers, like myself, decided to stick with UA through the end of the year and haven't decided who they're going with for 2013. I didn't learn about the AA matches until mid-summer of this year and by then I had most of my travel planned on UA through this year's end. Many told me that AA wouldn't match me if I waited until next year, but it looks like they are still offering a match and I'm still interested, but haven't pulled the trigger yet as I'm waiting to see what changes, if any, there are to Mileage Plus. I fly out of AUS mostly, and the 8 usable upgrades vs 6 hard-to-use upgrades are really making it tough for me to justify sticking with UA. I don't really want to leave, as I'm comfortable with UA and generally like them, but I don't love UA so much that I'm willing to spend more money for the chance to sit up front on long hauls that I'm paying out of pocket.
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Old Dec 17, 2012 | 8:34 am
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I am waiting for the new program before making any purchase for my Q1 trips. So far I have SJO-CAI, SJO-HEL, SJO-RUH on hold to see whether I book with UA or just go with the status match over at AA and fly Oneworld.
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 8:25 am
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2013 changes to award fees for 1K members?

At present short-notice award tickets and changes to award tickets are free of charge to 1K members. Does anyone know of any imminent changes to these benefits?
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 8:32 am
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No one has any info at present about the 2013 program (aside from perhaps what's in the 2013 credentials some folks have received already).

However, I seriously doubt UA would introduce close-in award fees for 1Ks, or award change fees.
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Old Dec 20, 2012 | 8:33 am
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No one knows what changes will happen in the 2013 program. There's a thread about when the 2013 benefits will be announced; my new guess is 14 January.

The loss of fee-free last minute changes for elites would be a very big change that would make UA's product much worse than the competition's, so it seems unlikely.
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Old Dec 23, 2012 | 7:21 pm
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Originally Posted by LaserSailor
Au contraire....thy would actually be giving the upgrades arguably to the most loyal......
No they wouldn't. They'd be giving them out by spend. No reason to go for 1K in my mind. Just hit silver and bid.

It's not gonna happen. Thankfully.

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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 7:06 pm
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No news yet on the newprogram?
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Old Dec 27, 2012 | 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by SJOFlyer
No news yet on the newprogram?
Given that people have been getting packets which presumably give the benefits of each level, I'm guessing no major changes. I suppose possibly in terms of how accrual works towards 2014 status, but doesn't seem likely at this point. I'm guessing status quo.
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