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Silver Fox Sep 10, 2012 2:15 pm

From the article "Shannon Kelly, United’s director of customer insights."

Talk about rubbing salt in the wound.

USAF Flyboy Sep 10, 2012 2:17 pm

This is clearly a calculated move that was planned in advance, executed according to an internal perception of company benefit, and won't be rolled back unless there is a clear business reason not to. TOD upgrades will always trump elite benefits.

The only voice UA cares about any more is the revenue voice. So, despite being an IAD flyer with lots of UA flight options, the last 5 months and $16k spend have gone to AA. I have 3 TATL flights on the books, two in C, and they will get all of my business next year (except a VS flight or two). It's worth it to me to do a connection and add an hour to be in F and get treated with respect. End of argument. UA...doesn't....care....about any of this "response". Cash talks. Period.

hughw Sep 10, 2012 2:45 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 19288881)
As has been mentioned in post #724, the KVS Tool continues to support Award, Upgrade and Regular UA Availability:

Can you add functionality to provide alerts?

Wingnut71 Sep 10, 2012 2:48 pm

I work at a business where we treat our customers like gold. I understand that UA wants to milk every penny of revenue from every seat. These are not mutually exclusive options.

You folks at UA who are reading this...come on...you are some of the brightest people in business. A bunch of you went to the best business schools right? Why does this have to be a WIN/LOSE type of deal? I find it really hard to believe that there isn't a WIN/WIN here. You can get every last nickel out of the kettles and there should still be some reward space and perks for those of us who travel enough miles to get to the Elite levels.

HOW TO BE A GENIUS AT UNITED AND MOVE UP THE EXECUTIVE RANKS LIKE A SPEEDING BULLET:
Use your brain, have some guts and solve this problem...you will make Smysek look like a hero...all his promises will come true and people will start saying nice things about him. Your personal stock will rise!!! Whadya think UAers? You could start feeling good about your job and your company again!

chinatraderjmr Sep 10, 2012 2:53 pm

I just got an email from Award Wallet saying DL was pulling their info as well. I know it's not exactly price fixing but I would bet with DL's timing as well as AC now also pulling their bucket transparency as well that the airlines got together & discussed this first. I guess it's not illegal but others would know better then I. At least it's not UA picking on us. It looks like they are all doing this. My guess is AA comes next

ibuyyoufly Sep 10, 2012 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by reddirt14 (Post 19289322)
United is so short sighted. I'm really surprised most of you are sticking with them. Interesting - maybe United really knows who it's got wrapped around it's fingures and if you've been with them through everything else, no matter how much you complain you'll stay on as they continue to extract more from you while giving you less. Maybe they are the smart ones after all.

Who knows...but I've left - couldn't take it anymore. :)

Correct! They know the Elite/MP Member attrition rate to the decimal I'm sure. I don't think there's a cohesive plan or strategy as one would expect, but as they stumble across revenue generating ideas they can pull some triggers. An every month or so change rate is slow enough to keep most around.

The pot with the frogs in it has been set on Medium. Only the "fair" skinned species have jumped out early.

wilp888 Sep 10, 2012 2:58 pm

I have just sent a message to Chase about my unhappiness with the policies of the United management team. Although I own a very small company and charge only about 500k on our MP credit cards annually, if enough of us with Chase cards contact the bank and voice our concerns, they may relay our displeasure in a far more effective method than our posting on FT. With Chase purchasing billions of dollars in MP miles, I'm sure they will take note of their cardholders moving to other airlines and cancelling their credit cards.

eflyte Sep 10, 2012 3:13 pm

Wow..., this is even dumber than the 4 mile GF Hong Kong round trips. As if the value of UG instruments hadn't already been diluted enough this year...

EsquireFlyer Sep 10, 2012 3:13 pm


Originally Posted by hughw (Post 19289808)
Can you add functionality to provide alerts?

UA is against alerts and will probably sue KVS, or at least threaten to do so, if such functionality is added.
Currently, for award/upgrade availability, KVS basically just works by automating a .bomb search for you, and putting it in a more convenient format. But KVS doesn't offer automation or anything that gives its users an actual "leg up" vs. non-users when redeeming award availability. And from what I heard/read online, it was the "advantage" provided by EF alerts which got the airline(s) pissed at EF. (or so they claimed?)

Red_Rob Sep 10, 2012 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by xevious (Post 19289469)
Has anyone who has emailed Jeff, GS or 1KVoice, etc. gotten any kind of response?

I had a GS agent offer to do the searches from Hubs to all European gateways for a vacation, and then call me back with options.

blue47 Sep 10, 2012 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by beltway (Post 19288644)
"Misconnects" is a red herring, not because it doesn't open up inventory, but rather because it's evenly distributed across all relevant cases. (That is, it's just as likely to happen to a flight that's Z9 or Z3, in which case the elite's odds of getting an upgrade also improve.)

Technically, if the misconnects are truly random, then the probability of one misconnect is proportional to the number of seats sold. But it is not completely random, and is a function of typical connect times for the flight intake, and typical origins for flight connects. Our world is not always random.

I think Seth is correct. But, psychologically I feel better when I am looking for a CPU to see lots of unsold seats up front.

fsfsfsfs Sep 10, 2012 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by Red_Rob (Post 19290001)
I had a GS agent offer to do the searches from Hubs to all European gateways for a vacation, and then call me back with options.

Great! Will this GS agent now help the non-GS MP members with similar searches? :mad:

I've contacted 1kvoice but will wait for the usual 30 day response time...

cyborg Sep 10, 2012 3:20 pm

Anti trust?
 

Originally Posted by chinatraderjmr (Post 19289851)
I just got an email from Award Wallet saying DL was pulling their info as well. I know it's not exactly price fixing but I would bet with DL's timing as well as AC now also pulling their bucket transparency as well that the airlines got together & discussed this first. I guess it's not illegal but others would know better then I. At least it's not UA picking on us. It looks like they are all doing this. My guess is AA comes next

This is directly related to a customer facing point of sale web service. Could this qualify as price fixing and run afoul of anti-trust regulations?

Is there someone with legal experience that can chime in?

V/r,

-Cyborg

Red_Rob Sep 10, 2012 3:31 pm


Originally Posted by fsfsfsfs (Post 19290016)
Great! Will this GS agent now help the non-GS MP members with similar searches? :mad:

I've contacted 1kvoice but will wait for the usual 30 day response time...

Spend enough to make GS and you too can be treated as well as Gold's 10 years ago or GM's 20 years ago.

dulcamara Sep 10, 2012 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by hughw (Post 19289808)
Can you add functionality to provide alerts?

Do than and I'm in.


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