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Please also see: http://seatexpert.com/seatmap/320/Un..._First_&_Biz)/ and http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...747-400_B.php]

What follows is my assessment of where to sit on the 744, which I sampled on a recent flight from SYD-SFO. I sat in E+ for three hours before a flight cancellation on Tuesday and in 15K in the upper deck in business for 13 hours the following day, so I feel sufficiently well-informed to dispense advice for those cabins. I cannot, however, make a recommendation for business class seating on the lower deck or the E- minus cabin, so with that caveat, here is my feedback on the upper deck . . .

Where should I sit in the upper deck? Any seats better than others?

Unlike the old configuration of the upper deck where certain seats – especially the exit row seats in row 15 – are appreciably better, on the new configuration, there is not really much to distinguish between the upper deck seats except for the limited caveats noted below.

What seats should I try to avoid?

There are only five seats that are nominally less attractive than the rest. 12 J & K are close to the forward lavatories and the flight deck so you can expect increased foot traffic and noise during the flight. The shell for 14K protrudes backward into the exit door area and partially overlaps with the exit door causing a nominal reduction in the view and a possible cold spot due to airflow penetrating the door seal. 17 J & K lose a good deal of privacy because they are visible from the top of the stairs and suffer from increased noise and light from the galley and traffic to and from the galley.

Window or aisle?

Window, definitely. And I say this as someone who is typically an aisle guy. You get the side bins for storage, the view, a little more peace and privacy being further removed from the aisle, and avoid the possibility of being disrupted by a seatmate climbing over you. Climbing over a seatmate in the aisle seat who is in the sleeping configuration requires a little bit of dexterity, but certainly is not terribly difficult for anyone who is at least 6 feet tall. Those who are substantially shorter than 6 feet may want to avoid the window, however.

Forward or backward?

Doesn’t really matter. Due to the pitch of the aircraft, those facing backwards will have their feet slightly below their heads in the sleeping configuration, but we are really splitting hairs here. Personally, I prefer the backward-facing view from the upper deck because you can see the wing and the engines.

What if I’m traveling with more than two people?

You will not be able to see or converse with the passengers whose feet oppose yours behind the wall adjoining the foot pocket and video panel. In other words, to give one example, the passengers in 15 J & K are fully walled-off from the passengers in 16 J & K. The shell of the seat also provides full privacy from behind. So, if you want to keep an eye on travel companions, you should try to sit diagonally across the aisle from one other. Passengers in 15 J & K, for example, will have a good view of passengers in 16 A & B, and vice versa. Actually, if you are travelling in a group of more than two and being able to chat is important to you, you'll probably want to sit in the middle section of the lower deck.

What happened to the exit row?

For all intents and purposes, it doesn’t exist. The seats in both rows 14 and 15 both back up to the exit area creating something more akin to an exit corridor. No extra legroom or particular advantage to these seats.

How is the seat for sleeping?

It’s a true, parallel-to-the-ground lie-flat seat, which is the big improvement. The arm rests on both sides can be manually lowered so that they don’t extend above the seat in bed configuration, which further increases arm and shoulder room. Unfortunately, for window seaters, there will be a healthy gap between the lowered arm rest and the side bins which means that the extra room on one side isn’t particularly useful since if you stick your arm far enough off the seat, it will essentially drop off a cliff with nothing to prop it up. As a 6-footer, my left foot was a little bit cramped due to the curvature of the foot-pocket, although this was not terribly bothersome. Both my seatmate and I felt that the seat lacked sufficient padding in the lumbar region of the back so we both woke up with sore lower backs.

What is the audio and video on-demand like?

For United and in comparison to the old configuration, great. The video screens are positively huge. There aren’t as many movies as one may find on airlines like Singapore, but still, there should be enough features to keep all but the most demanding and fickle passengers entertained.

As for the E+ cabin . . .

Seat pitch seems indistinguishable throughout, the bulkhead row 19 excepted. I don't care for the seats in row 19 myself because the hard bulkhead without cutouts effectively prevents all but the shortest traveler from stretching out his or her feet. This is true of both the outside seats as well as the middle section.

I would strongly advise against any D seat -- the aisle seats on the port side of the middle section -- because the audio boxes are beneath those seats and inhibit leg room for the left foot. There still should be enough room to place both feet, but only at a fairly sharp and uncomfortable angle.

As an aisle guy, I would go with one of the G seats. No audio box inhibiting leg room and landlocked middle seat passengers can access the aisle in either direction cutting in half your chance of getting bumped or bothered while you are trying to sleep.

There are still no individual seat-back video screens, unfortunately, so you are stuck with whatever programming UA runs on the main screens. Fortunately, the main screens have been upgraded to LCD screens. Sit at least a few rows back from row 19 to avoid being uncomfortably close to the screens.
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Old Feb 1, 2015, 10:59 pm
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Originally Posted by SwisherTown
The UD has a large storage area at the top of the stairs. Seems like there is plenty of space for 20 plus carry ons.
You may be thinking of the LH 747s, at least when F was up there...
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Old Feb 1, 2015, 11:04 pm
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Originally Posted by 747FC
You may be thinking of the LH 747s, at least when F was up there...
Nope, there is definitely a huge storage area there. I've flown UA SFO-SYD 10-15 times on the 747 UD. I've never seen them run out of room.
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Old Feb 1, 2015, 11:24 pm
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Originally Posted by SwisherTown
The UD has a large storage area at the top of the stairs. Seems like there is plenty of space for 20 plus carry ons. I've never had it fill up. ....
There have been reports of limiting the number of bags due to concerns 'weight' -- concerns by the FAs on the 'strength' of the floor of the closet.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...anishment.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ml#post4162074

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...l#post10568292
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Old Feb 6, 2015, 5:55 pm
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Upper Decking It

I'll be upper-decking it ORD-NRT on Monday, everything is open but row 14 and 16. What's the best seat for sleep? Not worried about getting up. Currently in 17K.
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Originally Posted by munster182
I'll be upper-decking it ORD-NRT on Monday, everything is open but row 14 and 16. What's the best seat for sleep? Not worried about getting up. Currently in 17K.
If 14's taken, then I'd go with row 15 window.

Not 17. Too close to the galley.
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Old Feb 6, 2015, 6:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
If 14's taken, then I'd go with row 15 window.

Not 17. Too close to the galley.
Agreed. 15 is the best row in the cabin, IMO.
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Old Feb 6, 2015, 6:42 pm
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Agreed. 15 is the best row in the cabin, IMO.
Agree but would like to point out 15 is rear facing (which I prefer for sleeping).
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Agree but would like to point out 15 is rear facing (which I prefer for sleeping).
+1 The rear facing seats are a major reason I have shifted my TPACs to UA
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Originally Posted by Kacee
If 14's taken, then I'd go with row 15 window.
I agree too.
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Originally Posted by munster182
I'll be upper-decking it ORD-NRT on Monday, everything is open but row 14 and 16. What's the best seat for sleep? Not worried about getting up. Currently in 17K.
When upstairs, I try to get as close to the middle of the cabin as possible, whether in the aisle or window.
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Old Feb 19, 2015, 9:12 pm
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UA 747 Seat 12k

Hey,

UA 747's what do people think about seat 12k? it appears like thats the only window seat where you can get up easily. what do people think of that seat? what are peoples favorite seats on 747's

thanks
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Old Feb 19, 2015, 9:16 pm
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You'll find all sorts of information in the master thread:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...747-400-a.html
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Originally Posted by jp12687
it appears like thats the only window seat where you can get up easily.
No that's not correct.

what do people think of that seat?
Too close to the lavs.
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Too close to the lavs.
Agree. But still better than 12J (which is the worst upstairs) and anything on the main deck (in BF).
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Old Feb 22, 2015, 4:21 pm
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Would appreciate some advice - I have flown quite a bit in BF on 772's (on my own on business trips), but have never done so on a UA 747-400 with the current interior. I have always enjoyed the upper deck on 747-400's (nice side bins, quiet cabins, etc.), but last time I did so was on UA's old cabin, JAL, etc.

I will be traveling with my family, total of four people. This is in a way a one-time "splurge", where I will be burning through a ton of frequent flyer miles to enable us all to go in BusinessFirst. While I have previously enjoyed BF, none of the other passengers have, so this is meant to be a fun first-time experience for everyone. With that in mind, I am being more picky in seating than I would when flying solo. Much of the fun will be in flying together, and although we don't need to have constant conversation together (it will be an overnight flight where we want to sleep, everyone will enjoy the AV system, etc.), much of the enjoyment will be in seeing everyone enjoying the lie-flats, the surprise of the ice-cream service, etc. Bottom line, we would like to sit together, in good seating.

With that in mind.... (again, 4 people total, in BusinessFirst, on a 747-400)...

The four of us could all sit together in Row 7 taking the middle four seats (C,D,G,H), and this would be ideal from a shared experience standpoint, but having flown on center-aisle BF seats in UA's 772's frequently on my own, I really want to fly upstairs again, as it will be overall more comfortable, and it may well be my last flight on a 747-400...

I would much prefer to be upstairs, and would like to sit all across a single row, so that we can see each other relatively well. Unfortunately, 16A-B are taken. I would be really happy with row 15, but someone took just 15B. Further forward, Row 14 is completely taken.

I considered taking 15JK and 16JK, which are fine seats, but the pairs will be really isolated from each other with the screens in-between.

At the moment, I have reserved all four seats of Row 13. This appears to be far enough from the front lavs that those should not be a problem (hopefully 13B will not be too bothered by it). Given that we now have Row 13 ABJK, my main questions are:

- Are the seat rows staggered across the aisle? I have only been able to find one official seat map which appears to show the seats in their true floorplan. This indicates that the seats are staggered by roughly half a row. That is, row 13AB is really at least half a row forward of 13JK. I am concerned that this will not allow us to see each other across the aisle. I have scoured dozens of interior photos online, but none that I could find give good pictures of this in the front half of the cabin (clearly, flyertalk-type passengers tend to hang out in rows 15 and 16 and take pictures there!). How aligned or mis-aligned are 13AB from 13JK, and are they staggered far enough to not feel like we are in the same row? If the offset is that bad, I may as well move to 15JK/16JK so one pair can face forward....

- I seem to recall (not clearly) from experiences a decade ago in 747-400 upper decks that the side storage bins pinch to smaller width in the front end of the cabin. Do Row 13AB and 13JK have full size side storage bins like the row further back in the cabin?

- I know that 12J is too close to the lavs. My prior experience in rear facing aisle seats two rows behind the lavs on 777-200's indicates that this is sufficient distance to not be disturbed. Are 13B and 13J far enough away from the lavs to not be a problem?

Thanks, everyone, for your help. Yes, I am overthinking this, but that's the point - normally I am not too bothered, as I fly in BF frequently, but this is a very rare upgrade opportunity for others in my group (they are seasoned travelers, just not in anything above coach), so I want to have the best possible experience!

Thanks!

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