Is there anywhere in Scotland (or England, for that matter) where someone undocumented (or for whatever reason) can get a vaccine without needing to be registered with a GP/have details on the NHS system?

Apologies if you weren’t asserting that mandatory quarantine for a presumed or actual positive test was “Orwellian”. But that was my reading of what you wrote.

The UK government's own website states that there are no immigration checks prior to receiving a vaccination and also that it is not necessary to be registered with a GP or to have an NHS number. (Presumably, this applies to England only, but the same might be true in Scotland.)COVID-19: migrant health guide - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Any walk in clinic in England should be happy to do this. If your aim, over and above covid protection, is to be able to obtain a certificate for travel I would choose the same devolved nation for your first and second jabs.

Others have already covered the topic, but in answering to Dan1113, when I went for my 2nd jab in Ealing the pharmacy I went to (which had relocated to the nearby church) had very conspicuous signs to say that they weren't checking the immigration status of anyone who was getting a jab and that an NHS number wasn't required. Or words to that extent.

I recall seeing something from Ealing, perhaps in Bell-end days, that indicated they will jab anyone if eligible, no questions asked.

There have been many targeted activities in specific areas across the country working with community orgs and leaders to reach out directly to vaccinate reach people who might otherwise be hard to reach and possibly undocumented. Whilst there has been considerable success with some of these outreach services there are still some who have a complete mistrust of authority and continue to hold out.

Daily data:

Cases 26628 (37,489 last Tuesday)
Deaths 185 (209)
Patients admitted 1,009 (988 on the 2nd)
Patients in hospital 8,413 (7,976 on the 6th)
Patients in ventilation beds 1,056 (1,030 on the 6th)
People vaccinated up to and including 13 September 2021:
First dose: 48,458,700
Second dose: 44,108,746

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now down 14.3% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 1.6%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 137.6 today.

Perhaps it might ram it home to the unvaccinated if the figures broke it down on a daily basis as to vaccinated/unvaccinated. With winter looming I don't know how else you get to the moon howlers.

There's a notorious anti-vaxxer over in my neighbourhood. She and her husband are part of a very small group of people who, amongst the many things, believe that 5G is evil, daub anti-vaxxer propaganda on billboards and, dulcis in fundo, oppose cycle lanes (?). Anyway, one of their group got Covid and being the typical 50-something who doesn't do much physical activity and has eaten refined sugars his entire life, had a painful illness and died not long ago. His passing didn't move the needle one millimeter with this lot.

Frankly, if you keep on being unconvinced after one of your mates dies of it... there's only Darwin left.

There was interviews not long ago with Americans in hospital with Covid, who refused to believe it was Covid they actually have. Even a lad I know, who is meant to be quite intelligent, is adamant it’s all a government plan and those in hospital with “Covid” are paid actors. And now he’s stuck as home getting angrier as he refuses to engage with anything involving masks/Covid passes etc

I think it is important to distinguish between different types or categories of people who aren’t willing to be vaccinated. This distinction is important not just to avoid tarring all with the same brush, but also in terms of tackling hesitancy - different approaches are needed, from a public health perspective, depending on why someone might be unwilling.

For example, people who are uncertain may just need to discuss it with someone - they may have concerns about (eg) the speed of development of the vaccine, and a bit of simple reassurance and openly answering questions and explaining things can go a long way. It’s worth remembering that most people don’t have domain expertise in this, or in health/infectious diseases more generally. I know corporate-wage-slave has posted quite a few times about the importance of these kind of non-judgemental conversations.

Then there are some groups who have a (quite possibly well-founded) mistrust of authority or government - perhaps stemming from previous experiences, at either an individual or a societal level. Again, the right kind of conversation - perhaps mediated by trusted community leader - can have a major impact on uptake.

Then there are full-on conspiracists such as those 13901 describes. I don’t have any solutions for those kind of situations - a confrontational “I told you so” if they get ill can backfire (no-one likes being proved wrong). Unfortunately social media has helped these kind of messages spread far further and wider than in the past, and influence people in the first two groups to a far greater extent. Even if the uncertain/untrusting don’t actually believe the conspiracists, the message spreads enough fear/uncertainty/doubt that the damage is done.

Thirty years ago, the conspiracy theorists lurked in the nether regions of Usenet newsgroups and most folk tended not to stumble across them - now, their nonsense is algorithmically prioritised into their news feeds about their local neighbourhood or their kid’s football club.

There's definitely a need to outreach. I have, myself, two non-vaccinated friends who are so because of health worries (allergies and a blood-thinning disease). Their GPs have both been absolutely AWFUL in allaying their fears; in one case the GP said it's not for him to discuss, the other said they must take the vaccine no matter what. Another friend hooked them up with an acquaintance who is an immunologist for a chat, and hopefully that'll work.

I noticed the cases are dropping recently, which is good and hopefully will continue because situation in hospitals is not sustainable anymore. This is from Yorkshire, every single ambulances here is waiting to offload a patient, waiting time for ambulances is currently several hours. If the cases continue to decrease at the same rate, the pressure on the hospitals should rise for one more week and then slowly decrease.

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Frankly those scenes are a constant even from pre-Covid days. When my neighbour broke his hand in the spring of 2019 I brought him to the A&E and we had to tour Charing Cross, the Royal Free and finally got to the West Middlesex before we could get him to be seen by a doctor. Charing X had a row of ambulances stretching into Fulham...