Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 32940694)

England further restrictions
with effect from 6 January
Amending legislation https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/...0210008_en.pdf

This amends the existing All Tier law (see post 352 for a link to it) rather than being fresh new law starting from scratch which is what happened for lockdown 2. So basic principle is that lockdown 3 is tier 4 with all the same restrictions on leaving home without a reasonable excuse continuing to apply with some changes. These seem the significant changes to the Tier 4 restrictions:

- All of England is now Tier 4
- No longer able to leave home for the purposes of visiting a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation or to visit outdoor attractions (aquarium, zoo etc.)
- Takeaway changes around drink, so can only serve alcohol for collection if ordered via website/online, phone, or post, and for collection outside the premises
- These now closed: aquariums and zoos, including safari parks; animal attractions at farms, wildlife centres and any other place where animals are exhibited to the public as an attraction; outdoor sportsgrounds and facilities, including outdoor gyms, sports courts, swimming pools, water sports, shooting and archery venues, golf courses, and driving ranges; retail travel agents

Things mentioned in the thread but not restricted in law
- There is no explicit time limit to how long you can go out to exercise or how many times per day
- There is no explicit geographical limit on outdoor exercise (unlike in Scotland see post 620 for details)
- Continues to be no explicit legal restriction on travel between areas in England, although all travel must be for the purpose which is a reasonable excuse
- There is still a broad umbrella of reasonableness for the above three of course which underpins the purposes for leaving home, so leaving home three time a day for exercise which involves driving 2 hours from your home could be argued not to be reasonable per se
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Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 32942798)

So what's your take on the distance reasonableness, particularly for urban folk? Obviously, if someone from London goes to Cornwall for exercise, that fails reasonableness. But what if someone in Central London goes somewhat out of the M25 to take a winter hike (like a National Trust site such as Box Hill - barely outside the M25 - or Petworth). It would seem resaonable minds could disagree on that but at worst, if questionned (which seems unlikely if its just a single household), and some local cop with nothing better to do declares it unreasonable its likely just going to result in being sent home and not an FPN.

Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 32942798)

So what's your take on the distance reasonableness, particularly for urban folk? Obviously, if someone from London goes to Cornwall for exercise, that fails reasonableness. But what if someone in Central London goes somewhat out of the M25 to take a winter hike (like a National Trust site such as Box Hill - barely outside the M25 - or Petworth). It would seem resaonable minds could disagree on that but at worst, if questionned (which seems unlikely if its just a single household), and some local cop with nothing better to do declares it unreasonable its likely just going to result in being sent home and not an FPN.

Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 32942833)

There is no law on distance so I can't see what they can say. Lockdown 1 I was never questioned as to what I was doing, and that was when being outdoors was much more appealing (weather is terrible now). With the weather so cold hardly a soul on the streets walking about, and that includes Police.

Originally Posted by paulaf (Post 32942841)

Exactly, in Lockdown 1.0 we regularly drove 30 miles away for a walk, couldn't walk around the block for 2-3 months would go mad, if you keep your distance and choose somewhere quiet what difference does it make where you walk ! We found many new walks and our local area was often busier.

Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 32942848)

Yeah exactly. Basically don't look for trouble and it's likely trouble won't find you.

Originally Posted by KSVVZ2015 (Post 32942798)

So what's your take on the distance reasonableness, particularly for urban folk? Obviously, if someone from London goes to Cornwall for exercise, that fails reasonableness. But what if someone in Central London goes somewhat out of the M25 to take a winter hike (like a National Trust site such as Box Hill - barely outside the M25 - or Petworth). It would seem resaonable minds could disagree on that but at worst, if questionned (which seems unlikely if its just a single household), and some local cop with nothing better to do declares it unreasonable its likely just going to result in being sent home and not an FPN.

Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 32942966)

My "reasonable" for exercise extends to driving a couple of hundred miles to run the SW coastal path. However the "you should not travel outside your local area" I would fall foul of. But they say "should". I shouldn't stick my hand in the flames but there is nothing to stop me from doing so. It's just going to depend if you are unlucky enough to fall foul of one of the boys in blue I guess.

Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 32942974)

Again guidance says stay local; law doesn't. Police can guide you but I can't see how you would be in breach of not staying local if it's not set out in law. I would certainly expect an awkward conversation though.

Originally Posted by NickB (Post 32943002)

The legislation does specify that you have to have a reasonable excuse to leave your home and I would have thought that the likelihood of a court finding this to be a reasonable excuse if it ever reached that point would be only marginally higher than the likelihood of coronavirus being completely eradicated from Europe by end of January. But the reality is that it would be unlikely to ever get to court, unless you deliberately and defiantly refused to turn round and go home when told by police to do so and then also refused to pay whatever PCN is issued.

Originally Posted by ahmetdouas (Post 32942974)

Again guidance says stay local; law doesn't. Police can guide you but I can't see how you would be in breach of not staying local if it's not set out in law. I would certainly expect an awkward conversation though.

Originally Posted by Silver Fox (Post 32943055)

Yeah and I'm good with having the conversation and will comply 100% if they say "turn around Dick Whittington".

Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 32943118)

BTW, the legislation being voted today has March 31st as its end date. I know Boris is saying that he wants to relax measures from February, but he's also said plenty of porkies before.