Oct 15, 2020, 6:45 pm
Local lockdowns in the UK
May 31, 2021, 11:48 am
#5251
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Much like deaths, the figures for hospitalisation are very low by any measure. So a few cases can cause big changes in the percentages. Having 870 out of 170,000 (or whatever it is) beds taken with COVID patients should not be too taxing on the NHS.
May 31, 2021, 12:31 pm
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May 31, 2021, 12:55 pm
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Given they tweeted a follow up saying how popular it was, and saying don't turn up after 19:30 it sounds like it has gone very well!
https://twitter.com/LBofHounslow/sta...03654537416709
https://twitter.com/LBofHounslow/sta...03654537416709
May 31, 2021, 1:29 pm
#5254
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They need these in every part of the country. Supply needs to increase. Cmon Pfizer!
May 31, 2021, 2:06 pm
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If the lockdown isn't fully lifted on 21-jun and it ends up being 21-Sep, so be it.
May 31, 2021, 2:35 pm
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The issue is that 21 Sept really means 21 March 2022. When we get to 21 Sept it'll be a case of "now we need to keep restrictions until the booster programme is complete", and when we get to 21 Dec it'll be "we still need restrictions because it's winter, look what happened last year". So really the choice is between another 3 weeks of restrictions, or another 9 months.
May 31, 2021, 2:53 pm
#5257
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I doubt anyone is pushing for 3 extra months. But in Scotland it is unlikely most of the urban area at level 2 is going to go down to level 1 next week. A few weeks' delay in England is no bad idea.
May 31, 2021, 3:16 pm
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There's an interesting side bar to this one. Though no research has been done on this yet, as far as I know, nevertheless I would be reasonably certain that bad dental health is a contributory factor to poor Covid outcomes. We know that bad dental health, specifically gum disease, has a surprisingly negative impact on the immune system. Research is unclear whether this is cause, effect or a background indicator (i.e. poverty again), my hunch is it is a bit of all three. So on the Swiss Cheese Model, good dental health is probably a barrier, along with vaccines, masks, social distancing. Perhaps a rather flimsy one compared to the heavy duty barrier of vaccines, but we will take all the barriers we can get.
Dental treatment should now be fairly safe, I imagine all those in your dental practice are well past their second dose now. No infections have been traced to dental work.
There is also the general point that vaccines are supposed to help you live your life the way you want to live your life, rather than inhibit it further.
So I would stick to your current dental check-up, particularly if you suspect some treatment is needed. And stick to 8 weeks at least for dose2. It's really only those 50+ or with health conditions who should get going before 10 weeks.
Dental treatment should now be fairly safe, I imagine all those in your dental practice are well past their second dose now. No infections have been traced to dental work.
There is also the general point that vaccines are supposed to help you live your life the way you want to live your life, rather than inhibit it further.
So I would stick to your current dental check-up, particularly if you suspect some treatment is needed. And stick to 8 weeks at least for dose2. It's really only those 50+ or with health conditions who should get going before 10 weeks.
May 31, 2021, 3:18 pm
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1) Covid segregation and cleaning requirements really eat into capacity - way beyond the raw number of beds. It isnt simply oh, we can fit another 3 Covid positive patients because weve got 8 beds - if those beds are in a non-Covid ward, you have a problem. You can convert the ward to a Covid ward, but then you lose capacity for non-Covid stuff which is a problem because
2) The NHS still has an enormous backlog of work which it is trying to get through, and bed utilisation is something around 96-97% - that doesnt leave a lot of room for a Covid surge. This is an indirect effect of Covid. In addition
3) Many of the most urgent cases in that backlog need longer recovery than usual, which again means more pressure on resources than would otherwise be the case. Another indirect effect of Covid.
These aspects and more besides are discussed the following Twitter thread posted by the CEO of NHS Providers. It is an insightful look at some of the challenges that NHS Trusts are facing, despite Covid cases being relatively low at the moment - it is well worth reading in full.
May 31, 2021, 4:00 pm
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While I agree with you that Covid itself is currently a relatively small cause of bed utilisation, it is worth remembering that this isn’t the only pressure the pandemic has put on the health service.
1) Covid segregation and cleaning requirements really eat into capacity - way beyond the raw number of beds. It isn’t simply “oh, we can fit another 3 Covid positive patients because we’ve got 8 beds” - if those beds are in a non-Covid ward, you have a problem. You can convert the ward to a Covid ward, but then you lose capacity for non-Covid stuff which is a problem because…
2) …The NHS still has an enormous backlog of work which it is trying to get through, and bed utilisation is something around 96-97% - that doesn’t leave a lot of room for a Covid surge. This is an ‘indirect’ effect of Covid. In addition…
3)… Many of the most urgent cases in that backlog need longer recovery than usual, which again means more pressure on resources than would otherwise be the case. Another ‘indirect’ effect of Covid.
These aspects and more besides are discussed the following Twitter thread posted by the CEO of NHS Providers. It is an insightful look at some of the challenges that NHS Trusts are facing, despite Covid cases being relatively low at the moment - it is well worth reading in full.
https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisceoh...71050931290112
1) Covid segregation and cleaning requirements really eat into capacity - way beyond the raw number of beds. It isn’t simply “oh, we can fit another 3 Covid positive patients because we’ve got 8 beds” - if those beds are in a non-Covid ward, you have a problem. You can convert the ward to a Covid ward, but then you lose capacity for non-Covid stuff which is a problem because…
2) …The NHS still has an enormous backlog of work which it is trying to get through, and bed utilisation is something around 96-97% - that doesn’t leave a lot of room for a Covid surge. This is an ‘indirect’ effect of Covid. In addition…
3)… Many of the most urgent cases in that backlog need longer recovery than usual, which again means more pressure on resources than would otherwise be the case. Another ‘indirect’ effect of Covid.
These aspects and more besides are discussed the following Twitter thread posted by the CEO of NHS Providers. It is an insightful look at some of the challenges that NHS Trusts are facing, despite Covid cases being relatively low at the moment - it is well worth reading in full.
https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisceoh...71050931290112
I mean joking aside except for nightclubs and foreign travel my life is normal now.
May 31, 2021, 4:06 pm
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May 31, 2021, 4:07 pm
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May 31, 2021, 4:51 pm
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May 31, 2021, 5:58 pm
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Wow, thanks for the data! While I was being overly dramatic with my post in jest as I know why they aren't open but after seeing a statistic like that it makes me wonder how many people in England died today from 1. Walking across the street and being hit by a lorry? 2. Getting eaten by an alligator that came out of the Thames?