ahmetdouas

it�s not only that, younger people are generally less in a rush to get vaccinated, if you are older/vulnerable getting vaccinated is a matter of life and death, if you are 30 with no health issues then it isn�t exactly the number one priority on the agenda even if the individual wants to get vaccinated. Hence I think NHS should just now open it to everyone over 18 and see who shows up

Dan1113

Lots of public health experts now very concerned at just the high level they're seeing of transmissibility and the growth in hospital numbers now, saying things could get very bad. The transmission rates if this variant seem to be at the upper end of what everyone thought.

corporate-wage-slave

On this one, and at this point of where we are now, I fully agree with you. It's still quite hard to get a vaccine, too hard for those who probably don't take it so seriously.

corporate-wage-slave

There's an interesting side bar to this one. Though no research has been done on this yet, as far as I know, nevertheless I would be reasonably certain that bad dental health is a contributory factor to poor Covid outcomes. We know that bad dental health, specifically gum disease, has a surprisingly negative impact on the immune system. Research is unclear whether this is cause, effect or a background indicator (i.e. poverty again), my hunch is it is a bit of all three. So on the Swiss Cheese Model, good dental health is probably a barrier, along with vaccines, masks, social distancing. Perhaps a rather flimsy one compared to the heavy duty barrier of vaccines, but we will take all the barriers we can get.

Dental treatment should now be fairly safe, I imagine all those in your dental practice are well past their second dose now. No infections have been traced to dental work.

There is also the general point that vaccines are supposed to help you live your life the way you want to live your life, rather than inhibit it further.

So I would stick to your current dental check-up, particularly if you suspect some treatment is needed. And stick to 8 weeks at least for dose2. It's really only those 50+ or with health conditions who should get going before 10 weeks.

ahmetdouas

Are we looking at different statistics? Or is this a matter of public health experts always being concerned about everything. I don�t see any growth in hospitalisations, actually they are going down slightly!

ahmetdouas

I wish they�d make it more clear because if it was really 4 weeks I�d probably not even wait for J and J. How did you manage to get it to 4 weeks? Or was there a glitch in the system.

Misco60

But it should be, and if young people can't be persuaded to do it for the public good then perhaps we should be trying to persuade them that getting vaccinated helps bring down the infection figures, thereby shortening our lockdown and making it more likely that foreign countries will admit British tourists.

Misco60

The government's own figures show that the 7-day average of hospitalisations is up by 23% on the previous 7-day period.

ahmetdouas

But do the young people trust the government? That�s the issue I think. I�m losing faith that lockdown will be lifted June 21. Or even travel, being vaccinated doesn�t exempt you from wearing a mask, quarantining etc etc.

adrianlondon

I live in Switzerland. They were told, apparently, that Pfizer should be done 3 weeks apart and Moderna 5 weeks apart. As they couldn't design an IT system to cope with this, they decided to make it 4 weeks apart for everyone (those are the only two vaccines available here).

Dan1113

In Scotland anyway we've had a big jump, and that doesn't even include the weekend numbers yet

In other news,
Do we know if this will impact on our deliveries too? I'm surprised since the US is exporting doses now given they have too much supply.

ahmetdouas

if they aren�t staying in hospital (check ppl in hospital not going to hospital) then I can�t see an issue. Remember they test ppl coming to hospital even if they come in for another reason, so let�s say I break my leg playing football and I go to hospital and I by chance have Covid with no symptoms and test positive then I count as a Covid hospital admission! Or am I wrong here.

ahmetdouas

ok got it you raised my hope there for a second. Yeah if I do the two dose in GR it�s also 4 weeks, or I could do the J and J in GR or US and get it done with immediately

adrianlondon

There's lots of discussion but there don't seem to be many places, who currently admit Brits, giving special treatment to those fully vaccinated. Even in the UK itself I've just read that the "Vaccine Passport" idea might not happen. So there appears to be no great rush.

ahmetdouas

yeah a vaccine passport is an issue for many reasons (ethics, discrimination, etc.) so why go through all that hassle if almost no one is at harm (look at the death rates) from the virus in the UK. I still see it being an issue for travel though, but not domestically it�s more trouble than it�s worth.

spain let�s all UK ppl in without any bureaucracy except a passport, Greece either a PCR or a vaccine passport minimum 2 weeks old as an example, so each country seems to be going it�s own way on this