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paulaf Mar 30, 2021 2:07 pm

This is worth a read, advice from the WTTC to the Global Travel Taskforce.


HB7 Mar 30, 2021 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by kingstontoon (Post 33138441)
Ah yes, I was going to report back on this. I flew on the BA1326 0945 LHR-NCL yesterday morning using Avios (slightly annoyingly as the £400 fare fell to £67 on Saturday). Approximately 15 in CE and 64 down the back, and I very much got the impression I was one of very few not connecting. I arrived at LHR two hours before departure and despite T5 being deserted everything appeared very normal and I didn't see hoardes of police / security questioning anyone going anywhere as to their reason for travel. I ordered a couple of the new Brewdog beers in advance and these were lovely, though it would have been nice to have got them before the freebies were handed out on such a short flight! 😁

I spent the day yesterday around Tyneside and Scarborough and unfortunately missed the last train back to London so had to stay in a hotel. Thankfully they were most accommodating with the "unable to return home" rule and I even got all my status perks! Today I visited Knaresborough and haven't seen so many people outside in one place for 13 months. All felt very jovial and safe though. Now on a £15 Grand Central train back to London. Where to go tomorrow I wonder?!

Thanks for reporting back!

Internaut Mar 30, 2021 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33138169)

Careful when falling for this kind of headline. I understand no spreader events were traced back to beaches and parks last year. This remains a difficult virus to catch outdoors.

Kgmm77 Mar 30, 2021 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by Internaut (Post 33138986)
Careful when falling for this kind of headline. I understand no spreader events were traced back to beaches and parks last year.

Wouldn’t there have needed to be a functioning contact tracing and testing regime in place last year to make such a statement with any confidence?

corporate-wage-slave Mar 30, 2021 11:35 pm


Originally Posted by Kgmm77 (Post 33139363)
Wouldn’t there have needed to be a functioning contact tracing and testing regime in place last year to make such a statement with any confidence?

A research group was set up to set up to try and see how the Bournemouth beach events fuelled transmission, and despite the huge numbers of people involved they struggled to find any cases related to it. On the other hand for a sandwich factory in the Midlands, involving a few hundred people, it was possible to find transmission routes quite easily. Internally I think the feeling is that lying on a beach or park isn't the problem, nor crowds of people outdoors, the problem is the ancillary side of it. So for example having a beach day, picking up the kids from the Ex and sharing a car. Or going into shops near the beach to get food and refreshments. Throughout the pandemic, the overwhelming form of transmission is someone you know, either at home, at work or in your wider circle of friends, relatives and neighbours. But we are still learning about this virus, indeed we are still learning about the influenza group of viruses. It's interesting that our knowledge of flu viruses has developed a lot as a side effect of Covid.

13901 Mar 31, 2021 12:48 am


Originally Posted by Internaut (Post 33138986)
Careful when falling for this kind of headline. I understand no spreader events were traced back to beaches and parks last year. This remains a difficult virus to catch outdoors.

The fact is that, by law, it's forbidden to meet more than 2 households. And this is not enforced (like mask wearing, anti-Covid protests and other things). But at the same time if you dare leaving the country it's £5k, if you come from places with less cases than we have it's 2 weeks in hotel, if you protest police killings you get arrested. I'd be willing to cut them some slack if it was the odd case, but this schizophrenic approach to Covid, this swinging from 'can't-be-arsed' to Robocop, has been going on since day zero...

Dan1113 Mar 31, 2021 12:57 am


Originally Posted by Internaut (Post 33138986)
Careful when falling for this kind of headline. I understand no spreader events were traced back to beaches and parks last year. This remains a difficult virus to catch outdoors.

While you are of course right, it is a different virus we are dealing with this year.

stut Mar 31, 2021 2:33 am

I've done a handful more deletions, I'm afraid. Please keep on topic - OMNI and OMNI/PR are there for the related political discussions.

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S_W_S Mar 31, 2021 3:04 am

It was interesting to see the company running the York site tweet they're expecting more supplies, I thought supplies were going to be down significantly in April?


There was an article in the FT today about German rollout too - https://www.ft.com/content/bc5a3b02-...retype=blocked
I can't believe how much paper it requires! My jab was paperless here!

ahmetdouas Mar 31, 2021 3:23 am


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33139952)
The fact is that, by law, it's forbidden to meet more than 2 households. And this is not enforced (like mask wearing, anti-Covid protests and other things). But at the same time if you dare leaving the country it's £5k, if you come from places with less cases than we have it's 2 weeks in hotel, if you protest police killings you get arrested. I'd be willing to cut them some slack if it was the odd case, but this schizophrenic approach to Covid, this swinging from 'can't-be-arsed' to Robocop, has been going on since day zero...

no it’s rule of 6 or 2 households. So technically you can meet 5 other ppl who each are from a different house aka. Unenforceable

DaveS Mar 31, 2021 3:48 am


Originally Posted by S_W_S (Post 33140038)
It was interesting to see the company running the York site tweet they're expecting more supplies, I thought supplies were going to be down significantly in April?

https://twitter.com/Nimbuscare1/stat...58603602153472

There was an article in the FT today about German rollout too - https://www.ft.com/content/bc5a3b02-...retype=blocked
I can't believe how much paper it requires! My jab was paperless here!

No it wasn't. You received that highly valuable and secure paper card!

S_W_S Mar 31, 2021 4:13 am


Originally Posted by DaveS (Post 33140065)
No it wasn't. You received that highly valuable and secure paper card!

Damn! I forgot about that :D. Not totally paperless then, but the admin side was.

8420PR Mar 31, 2021 4:46 am

Have cruise lines been given advance notice by the UK Government? All the major ones are planning to restart UK cruising in May this year, which is an investment of hundreds of thousands of pounds per ship flying crew to Europe. As far as I can see all the cruises will be UK only with no stops at foreign ports, which is very unusual and would indicate they expect or have been told trips abroad to not be possible.

https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...summer-restart

southlondonphil Mar 31, 2021 5:33 am


Originally Posted by 8420PR (Post 33140124)
Have cruise lines been given advance notice by the UK Government? All the major ones are planning to restart UK cruising in May this year, which is an investment of hundreds of thousands of pounds per ship flying crew to Europe. As far as I can see all the cruises will be UK only with no stops at foreign ports, which is very unusual and would indicate they expect or have been told trips abroad to not be possible.

https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...summer-restart

It might simply be that the cruise companies believe that logistical complexities of having to comply with the myriad testing/isolation requirements of every port of call make anything more than 'cruise to nowhere' or purely Domestic itineraries completely unworkable right now. I imagine that some places might still favour banning disembarkation of passengers, and staring at the dockside from your £5000 outside cabin unable to go into town for 'the sights' might not be the best value for money

KSVVZ2015 Mar 31, 2021 8:33 am

NI is going to 45+. Does that signal a change for England soon? And are supplies better than expected or uptake in the later 50+ groups not as good?


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