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Originally Posted by DaveS
(Post 33112244)
Today's data looking pretty good:
Cases 4,802 (6,609 last Friday) Deaths 101 (175) Patients on ventilation now 879 (1,110) |
Originally Posted by CrazyLilBlondie
(Post 33112300)
If they are young and healthy then encourage them to do a few volunteer shifts. Thats how me and my under 30year old partner got ours, and we were giving back to the community at the same time :)
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Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 33111680)
Funny how Whitty said it's too early to comment on data about children when this was reported in the Telegraph very low rates found:"Children returning to school has not led to a rise in Covid infections, as the first data shows just 0.05 per cent of secondary students tested positive.
Unless you are dead set on conspiracy theories, there's no ambiguity in what you spotted. Observers point out early data show low infection rates. Chris Witty hasn't voiced disagreement with that observation: but he points out that it's too early to reach a definitive judgement on the impacts of opening schools. And that will be Professor Chris Whitty CB FFPH FRCP Fellow of the Academy of Medical Science, physician and epidemiologist, the country's Chief Medical Officer, Chief Medial Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Dept of Health and Head of the National Institute for Health Research. The chap's not infallible: but even so, on balance I think his opinions on health matters might carry just a little more weight than those of Telegraph journalists. |
One year on...
Parts of France are locking down (again) and Italy. Lockdowns are not easy but the lockdown here feels as if we might be working to towards a better future for all, despite the hardship now.
It’s hard to imagine I was sat in an empty pub in central London drinking a pint of Guinness a year ago to celebrate St Patrick’s and I haven’t been to London since. However I know that moment will come round again. It’s just a matter of time. One thing I don’t miss, I certainly don’t miss the London prices. What don’t you miss? Do you remember where you were? |
Originally Posted by IAN-UK
(Post 33113193)
And that will be Professor Chris Whitty CB FFPH FRCP Fellow of the Academy of Medical Science, physician and epidemiologist, the country's Chief Medical Officer, Chief Medial Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Dept of Health and Head of the National Institute for Health Research.
paulaf has an (obvious) point - if the data is looking particularly good, you don't need to wait for more. And really, a refusal to move early when possible (or at least provide thorough reasoning for why its not possible) points to what everyone knows - it's nothing to do with data, they just want a lockdown as long as possible. Some people quite like the idea of lockdown, others see where this leaves us in a year's time. |
Originally Posted by rockflyertalk
(Post 33113316)
Parts of France are locking down (again) and Italy. Lockdowns are not easy but the lockdown here feels as if we might be working to towards a better future for all, despite the hardship now.
It’s hard to imagine I was sat in an empty pub in central London drinking a pint of Guinness a year ago to celebrate St Patrick’s and I haven’t been to London since. However I know that moment will come round again. It’s just a matter of time. One thing I don’t miss, I certainly don’t miss the London prices. What don’t you miss? Do you remember where you were? Oh, and the Qatar/Kuwait/Saudi-plated supercars and the w*nkers who rev them while they sit behind you at the traffic light... although cycling veeeery slow in front of them gave me a kind of satisfaction. |
Originally Posted by cauchy
(Post 33113553)
And really, a refusal to move early when possible (or at least provide thorough reasoning for why its not possible) points to what everyone knows - it's nothing to do with data, they just want a lockdown as long as possible.
And they have already explained why the dates in the roadmap are the earliest possible and are very unlikely to be brought forward. |
Originally Posted by cauchy
(Post 33113553)
The same chap who presided over the highest Covid-19 death rate in a major country, worldwide?
Experts make recommendations but the buck ultimately stops with politicians. Indeed, during this crisis experts recommended on numerous occasions more swift action than was then taken by politicians (in particular during Sept/Oct) and subsequent events have shown their warnings to be prescient and justified. Unfortunately, too many politicians, armchair commentators, and “superforecasters” seem determined to interpret caution and uncertainty - with which any self-respecting expert frames their advice - as evidence that experts “don’t know what they’re talking about”. This is not how science or expertise works. Have the scientists and experts got some things wrong in the last year? Of course, but (unlike certain politicians) they would acknowledge that and seek to learn lessons from it. Can lessons be learnt? Absolutely. No-one is claiming experts are infallible, except some politicians who want to set them up as straw men and thereby undermine them. |
Originally Posted by squawk
(Post 33113622)
Semantics, but important ones: a chief medical officer doesn’t “preside”. That would be a President, or in our case a Prime Minister.
Experts make recommendations but the buck ultimately stops with politicians. Indeed, during this crisis experts recommended on numerous occasions more swift action than was then taken by politicians (in particular during Sept/Oct) and subsequent events have shown their warnings to be prescient and justified. Unfortunately, too many politicians, armchair commentators, and “superforecasters” seem determined to interpret caution and uncertainty - with which any self-respecting expert frames their advice - as evidence that experts “don’t know what they’re talking about”. This is not how science or expertise works. Have the scientists and experts got some things wrong in the last year? Of course, but (unlike certain politicians) they would acknowledge that and seek to learn lessons from it. Can lessons be learnt? Absolutely. No-one is claiming experts are infallible, except some politicians who want to set them up as straw men and thereby undermine them. |
Originally Posted by cauchy
(Post 33113553)
The same chap who presided over the highest Covid-19 death rate in a major country, worldwide?
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Originally Posted by cauchy
(Post 33113553)
paulaf has an (obvious) point - if the data is looking particularly good, you don't need to wait for more. And really, a refusal to move early when possible (or at least provide thorough reasoning for why its not possible) points to what everyone knows - it's nothing to do with data, they just want a lockdown as long as possible. Some people quite like the idea of lockdown, others see where this leaves us in a year's time.
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Originally Posted by IAN-UK
(Post 33113193)
Unless you are dead set on conspiracy theories, there's no ambiguity in what you spotted.
And that will be Professor Chris Whitty CB FFPH FRCP Fellow of the Academy of Medical Science, physician and epidemiologist, the country's Chief Medical Officer, Chief Medial Adviser to the UK Government, Chief Scientific Adviser to the Dept of Health and Head of the National Institute for Health Research. The chap's not infallible: but even so, on balance I think his opinions on health matters might carry just a little more weight than those of Telegraph journalists. As for the many titles of Chris Whitty - clearly it shows those titles/designations/call them whatever you like are pointless. I'm a chartered engineer and most engineers would tell you chartership is a tick-box exercise that means nothing. Chris Whitty is the guy who said "no point in closing the borders, because the virus is already here" - that error is absolutely massive and is one of the few reasons we have one of the top 5 worst death rates in the world. If he had just looked around the world, he would have seen that every country was virtually shutting its borders. It's not hindsight, and it was so clear to virtually everyone that needed to happen. Yet we kept our borders open, and look at what has happened. Because of that, the borders are shut (after 120k deaths) and unlikely to open for a very long time - likely to lead to more economic devastation for the UK and thousands more jobs lost. |
Originally Posted by cauchy
(Post 33113553)
The same chap who presided over the highest Covid-19 death rate in a major country, worldwide?
paulaf has an (obvious) point - if the data is looking particularly good, you don't need to wait for more. And really, a refusal to move early when possible (or at least provide thorough reasoning for why its not possible) points to what everyone knows - it's nothing to do with data, they just want a lockdown as long as possible. Some people quite like the idea of lockdown, others see where this leaves us in a year's time. |
Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 33113673)
Maybe Whitty is still hoping for a big spike so he can be proved right?
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