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GRALISTAIR Mar 30, 2012 10:45 am


Originally Posted by hfly (Post 18268776)
Guess what, in the last decade, dozens of airports around the World have build 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th runways..........they decide and then they do it, whether greenfield or existing sites, they do it, they do not have 40 reviews, they do not ask every single person down to the bin man on multiple occasions, and they for the most part do not turn something as needed and vital into a POLITICAL FOOTBALL.

+1

origin Mar 30, 2012 10:51 am


Originally Posted by BOH (Post 18303210)
I think it is as in "waves" of flights with connecting pax coming in at or around the same time to coincide with key services going out. So maybe an EK example would be flights arriving into DXB from places like LHR, MAN, CDG, FRA etc within 1-2 hours of key onward connnecting services to Australia, India or Hong-Kong.

Think the USA calls it "banks" of flights.

I see now thanks.

NickB Mar 30, 2012 11:25 am


Originally Posted by BOH (Post 18303043)
A little tweaking and adjusting here and there could open up a few extra slots per day. But of course only BA can decide whether opening up a new India or China route is more lucrative by dropping / consolidating one daily rotation to one or number of high frequency CDG, AMS, FRA, MAN, EDI, GLA, DUS, BRU etc.

An alternative is to shift the thinnest routes to LGW. For DOMs and some European routes, there is also the possibility of shifting some flights to LGW/LCY, as they have done for AMS. All of these, though, including the fewer-but-fatter flights option, remain least bad rather than optimal solutions.

HIDDY Mar 30, 2012 11:31 am


Originally Posted by hfly (Post 18268776)
Guess what, in the last decade, dozens of airports around the World have build 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th runways..........they decide and then they do it, whether greenfield or existing sites, they do it, they do not have 40 reviews, they do not ask every single person down to the bin man on multiple occasions, and they for the most part do not turn something as needed and vital into a POLITICAL FOOTBALL.

Good luck to them and their bully boy tactics.

Despite the negatives I would much rather have it done the British way. ^

Camflyer Mar 30, 2012 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by bealine (Post 18294580)
Yet the M25, arguably the one single improvement to Britain's communication corridors, which was built too far outside Central London, and on the opening day was already far too small for its purpose, took nearly 25 years to complete thanks to the NIMBY'S and namby-pamby protesting. The French had ignored the protests, purchased tenements and bulldozed the "Boulevard Peripherique" around Central Paris decades before we were ready.

The French have always had a veryy different attitude to the British (at least in modern times) towards "grands projets". The French just get on with them. In the UK, if the construction come across a group of rare frogs everything stops for an expensive environmental study. In France, they'd just declare lunch.

destere Mar 30, 2012 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by HIDDY (Post 18303592)
Good luck to them and their bully boy tactics.

Despite the negatives I would much rather have it done the British way. ^

The British system wouldn't be such a problem if there was the foresight there. All of this should have started 20 years ago.

origin Mar 30, 2012 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by destere (Post 18304568)
The British system wouldn't be such a problem if there was the foresight there. All of this should have started 20 years ago.

20 years ago, the country and govt at the time was dealing with the then recession. Trying to save independant airlines was more important than building another runway.

destere Mar 30, 2012 4:00 pm


Originally Posted by origin (Post 18304896)
20 years ago, the country and govt at the time was dealing with the then recession. Trying to save independant airlines was more important than building another runway.

It was only an example to say that this issue should have been predicted and taken more seriously in the past. It takes a long time to do things in this country compared to many, and often things are delivered too little too late.

Better to spend a lot of money now rather than leaving it, kick ourselves for not doing it sooner and spend even more money later.

hfly Mar 30, 2012 4:44 pm

Keep going with that, "our way is best" as the whole world passes you by.

NickB Mar 30, 2012 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by destere (Post 18304568)
The British system wouldn't be such a problem if there was the foresight there. All of this should have started 20 years ago.

I agree. The planning process in the UK DOES slow things down somewhat excessively. However, it would not be such an issue if it was accompanied by foresight and anticipation and future-proofing of projects. Instead, transport infrastructure has been developed in a haphazard, piecemeal manner, on a (short-term) cheap (but long-term costly) with the obsession not to spend public money during the Thatcher years having not helped in the slightest either. No vision. Just potting about in a "it'll do for now" manner.

RB211 Mar 30, 2012 9:58 pm


Originally Posted by BOH (Post 18303210)
I think it is as in "waves" of flights with connecting pax coming in at or around the same time to coincide with key services going out. So maybe an EK example would be flights arriving into DXB from places like LHR, MAN, CDG, FRA etc within 1-2 hours of key onward connnecting services to Australia, India or Hong-Kong.

Think the USA calls it "banks" of flights.

I've heard it referred to in the US as a "connecting cluster." Which is an appropriate name when things go wrong! ;)

rb211.

origin Apr 8, 2012 2:28 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...nway-plan.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-Heathrow.html

More Info.

flyingcrazy Apr 8, 2012 10:19 am

I actually think they should build the third runway AND utilise the runway at Northolt

that would give the UK a 4 runway Hub similar in size and capacity to Boris Island and a hell of a lot cheaper :D

destere Apr 8, 2012 10:46 am

STN has room for another 3 runways. Build 2 more, new terminal. Current terminal can be designated the low cost airline terminal, keeping things separate... ;) A new direct high speed line to London. (Must be subsidised to keep the ticket prices down to make the airport attractive).

It's closer than NRT is to Tokyo.

T8191 Apr 8, 2012 10:52 am

I just look forward to the day when any Govt actually grasps this nettle and does something ... It's got to the stage where "the National interest" over-rides the rights of the lesser brown newt/moth/rodent. And, indeed, the Greater NIMBY. ;)


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