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BOH Apr 19, 2012 3:51 am


Originally Posted by NotGoingBackToSteerage (Post 18421137)
Well said!

Let us look at BA's performance at non slot constrained airports! There is only LGW left and they are a shadow of their former self. Surely one of the reasons BA is profitable is that the airport is slot constrained so new entrants to the market are hindered (or have to pay a fortune for slots) and a premium can be charged to make the BA cost base profitable. A lot more slots (assuming movements are allowed to increase) could see the likes of U2 enter LHR and potentially repeat their LGW experience - that may make short haul even less profitable.

If BA were so keen on expansion they could fly people via an alternative UK airport but they do not. NGBTS

As I said earlier up-thread, plenty of CEO's publicly campaign and back something in public to gain the brownie points, eg, "of course, we welcome new competition" whilst privately having the opposite view and doing everything they can to scupper something that would do just that.

The master of this is Richard Branson who so vociferously campaigned for VS to get access to LHR two decades ago on the basis of consumer choice, competition is good etc....but then once he got access he quickly joined the others in trying to scupper DL, NW, CO etc efforts to be allowed access too:rolleyes:

I work in the rail industry and Virgin's tactics to restrict and generally place obstacles to the entry of other rail operators having access to the WCML are legendary :rolleyes: Yet Branson publicly positions himself and (very successfully IMHO) as being some sort of peoples champion, fighting against big business to get a better deal for the man in the street. The reality is very different.

Camflyer Apr 19, 2012 4:55 am


Originally Posted by oscietra (Post 18417278)
Thankfully further evidence that the Government is standing by its decision not to entertain construction of a Third Runway at Heathrow:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-Heathrow.html


Theresa Villiers stated “The Coalition has always been clear that it doesn’t support a third runway at Heathrow - one of the very first acts as government was to confirm that,” the Transport Secretary said.

Since when was Theresa Villiers the Transport Secretary?

Paralytic Apr 19, 2012 5:17 am


Originally Posted by alwaysbanevervs (Post 18417985)
Won't there be a problem with birdstrike risk with an airport in the Thames estuary?

There's an easy solution to that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLSIU9BG41U

origin Apr 19, 2012 5:21 am


Originally Posted by Camflyer (Post 18421445)
Since when was Theresa Villiers the Transport Secretary?

http://www.dft.gov.uk/ministers

http://www.dft.gov.uk/ministers/theresa-villiers

Globaliser Apr 19, 2012 5:43 am

What a pity that the Telegraph couldn't take a quick look at those pages, which clearly say that she is not the Transport Secretary.

Honestly, does anybody in the press check facts any more?

(That's a rhetorical question, of course. We all know the answer is "no".)

Camflyer Apr 19, 2012 5:56 am

She's a Transport *Minister*. Justine Greening is the Secretary of State.

Whoever wrote that article needs to go back to journalism school. The Telegraph's standards are slipping if their writers don't know who is in the Cabinet and write sentences such as "Gatwick is the world’s biggest single runway airport in the world".

WHBM Apr 19, 2012 5:57 am


Originally Posted by BOH (Post 18421279)
I work in the rail industry and Virgin's tactics to restrict and generally place obstacles to the entry of other rail operators having access to the WCML are legendary.

Of course, just like Virgin Atlantic being 50% owned by Singapore Airlines, Virgin Trains is 50% owned by Stagecoach.

Jimmie76 Apr 19, 2012 6:17 am


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 18421626)
Of course, just like Virgin Atlantic being 50% owned by Singapore Airlines, Virgin Trains is 50% owned by Stagecoach.

Ooh no VS is 49% owned by SQ, Branson didn't want to lose control of the airline when he sold off that chunk. I suspect the same is true of Virgin trains but I don't know that for certain.

Globaliser Apr 19, 2012 6:28 am


Originally Posted by Jimmie76 (Post 18421702)
Ooh no VS is 49% owned by SQ, Branson didn't want to lose control of the airline when he sold off that chunk.

I don't know about the reasoning behind Virgin Trains, but one consideration in relation to the airline would probably have been that it had to remain majority EU-owned (or possibly, at that time, UK-owned) for route authority reasons.

origin Apr 19, 2012 6:33 am


Originally Posted by Jimmie76 (Post 18421702)
Ooh no VS is 49% owned by SQ, Branson didn't want to lose control of the airline when he sold off that chunk. I suspect the same is true of Virgin trains but I don't know that for certain.

Wikipedia states the trains are 49% Stagecoach. I presume the 1% to keep the Virgin name on the trains.

Jimmie76 Apr 19, 2012 7:29 am


Originally Posted by origin (Post 18421775)
Wikipedia states the trains are 49% Stagecoach. I presume the 1% to keep the Virgin name on the trains.

And control of the company with Virgin ;)

UKtravelbear Apr 19, 2012 10:21 am


Originally Posted by Jimmie76 (Post 18421218)
But you're assuming that the runway would be used for extra flights and I thought that it was for reducing congestion. I'm sure the airlines would love to stop having planes that have to circle for ages before being able to land because of the congestion. My IB flight on the weekend circled for a quarter of an hour before we finally landed which is quite a lot of jet fuel and that stuff isn't cheap, then there's the environmental aspect to consider as well.

And thats why I would support a 3rd runway - to help manage congestion and give flexibility due to weather or incidents etc and NOT for loads of extra flights.

flyingcrazy Apr 19, 2012 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by origin (Post 18417568)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...t-airport.html

I think I am asking a stupid question here. I am very tired this week.

I dont understand what we are missing if we dont have as many transfer passengers going through LHR or other airports. Okay BA and like wont get the revenue from them.

How else will the UK be affected??

Because a lot of the routes BA fly from LHR would not be economical without transfer passengers........duh

flyingcrazy Apr 19, 2012 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by Jimmie76 (Post 18421218)
But you're assuming that the runway would be used for extra flights and I thought that it was for reducing congestion. I'm sure the airlines would love to stop having planes that have to circle for ages before being able to land because of the congestion. My IB flight on the weekend circled for a quarter of an hour before we finally landed which is quite a lot of jet fuel and that stuff isn't cheap, then there's the environmental aspect to consider as well.

No the plan was to build a brand new terminal for 35 million people and increase flights cap from 480,000 to 650,000 flights

flyingcrazy Apr 19, 2012 1:34 pm


Originally Posted by origin (Post 18421239)
At the moment a few CEO's in the industry are in Japan.

Eithad states they want another runway to expand their number of flights.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rns-chief.html

the silent majority are slowly coming out of their shells


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