yeh but that cretin is just 1 MP compare that to the 30 CONSERVATIVE MPs who recently pushed of a 3rd runway U turn plus the many Labour and DUP MPs who support it. Its only the Lib Dems and a few idiot Tories who are opposed to it, besides Zac Goldsmith was an environmentalist before he was an MP and hes a hypocrite as how else would he get to his annual yearly retreat in Barbados? to top it off I believe Justine Greening was a bored housewife who had nothing better to do than go around setting up 'campaign' stalls against airport expansion before she became MP and bloody TRANSPORT SECRETARY :mad::confused:

LHR isnt that bad

tbh I think people vast over exaggerate LHR but it does desperately need a third runway

Even though CDG and FRA have more runways they are still horrible airports to transfer through

SPOT ON!

True, i'll take LHR over CDG and FRA anyday (and compared to MIA where i'm forced through both ways...well...nuff said), and T5 does work very well. Perhaps i have had bad luck, but winter going through LHR...foggier than foggy bottom.

Really? 20% of my flights in and out of T5 are via BUSES! Even now that the last satellite has been built? They still can never seem to open the doors promptly upon landing and quite frankly over half of my departures are late (but arrive within 15 minutes of scheduled arrival due to a huge amount of padding). The run around to the lounge is huge insult to any Premium FF'ers intellignce. Security is almost always achingly slow, and as has been attested to repeated recently transfers are often a joke. And these are T5 issues as I am not even going to get into what happens when there is any whiff of bad weather or having to circle southeastern England for sometimes hours at a time (which are NOT T5 specific. If that is your definition of what "works well" then your expectations are quite low. Shall we compare T5 to PEK T3 or SIN T3 which have similar capacities, were built quicker and for a fraction of the price and which operate much more efficiently??

BTW that is the problem, you are comparing to CDG or FRA, airports which have their own issues (although for me FRA's biggest problem is the slog to change planes/terminals, something which is now even more horrific at LHR). CDG can be an absolute nightmare and I have always railed against it, but you do know that there are other airports, even bigger airports out there (by any matrix) that operate much better than LHR as well.....

Yes....everyone knows that.

I wouldn't hold your breath, sadly it will be a long time before any decision is made and you're spot on I suspect we'll just have another review.

Not as long as the second SYD airport/CBR-SYD high speed rail debate.

haha fair enough

ive had bad moments at LHR as well however the ratio of problems ive experiences at LHR look like peanuts compared to those ive had at CDG/FRA

well no becuase SIN and PEK are serving different markets for transfer passengers

Im comparing LHR's closest competitors and for me transferring through SIN/PEK isnt an option, my only options (im in ABZ) are SAS via CPH, KLM via AMS, BA via LHR, BMI via LHR, DLH via FRA, AFR via CDG

I doubt very much someone living in Florida who wanted to fly to Poland would fo via SIN or PEK, their choices would be either an American hub like Atlanta and Dallas or LHR, CDG, AMS and FRA

Also Terminal 5D hasnt been built yet, right?

Yeah, because I wasn't talking about similar or greater sizes, passenger numbers or just the actual facilities and their operation, I was instead comparing your transfer options from Aberdeen.......Hmmmm, does no one see how these sort of attitudes really effect the runway debate and ostrich attitude that much of this thread is about?!

I wonder if anyone has pointed out to Boris re his estuary airport, that a) LHR is from time to time foggy; b) LCY is consistently bad and c) as evidenced by this morning's BBC road traffic reports, the Thames Estuary is really bad.

I was looking out of my window from near LHR this am and there was a clear blue sky and yet the cameras were showing thick fog out towards the QE Bridge. :rolleyes:

But as I've said a couple of times, partly as a result of T5 taking so long, how big infrastructure projects are handled has been changed in the planning system. Now, there's still uncertainty because it's a new system that has just been changed again, but we'll start to get an idea of what is happening when the new nuclear plants go through.

So while you can keep quoting 5 years for T5, it's not really applicable anymore, as the system has been changed substantially and should (admittedly in theory, because no-one has put it into practice yet) be more efficient.

But step one is actually to get the politicians on board... and we're back at step one again.

well I was talking beforehand about how transferring through other EUROPEAN Hubs is pretty awful

I wasnt talking about Asian airports and IMO their not that great anyway

Also European Hubs are fairer to compare with as it seems pretty much all of Europe is surrounded in red tape and NIMBYs