FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   U.K. and Ireland (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/u-k-ireland-484/)
-   -   Conservative party admits wrong on Heathrow (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/u-k-ireland/1328600-conservative-party-admits-wrong-heathrow.html)

BOH Apr 8, 2012 10:54 am


Originally Posted by destere (Post 18355573)
STN has room for another 3 runways. Build 2 more, new terminal. Current terminal can be designated the low cost airline terminal, keeping things separate... ;) A new direct high speed line to London. (Must be subsidised to keep the ticket prices down to make the airport attractive).

It's closer than NRT is to Tokyo.

And only slightly more (10km) than OSL is from downtown Oslo.

HIDDY Apr 8, 2012 11:08 am


Originally Posted by destere (Post 18355573)
STN has room for another 3 runways. Build 2 more, new terminal. Current terminal can be designated the low cost airline terminal, keeping things separate... ;) A new direct high speed line to London. (Must be subsidised to keep the ticket prices down to make the airport attractive).

It's closer than NRT is to Tokyo.

Excellent idea....no birds either, problem solved. ^

Paralytic Apr 8, 2012 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by destere (Post 18355573)
STN has room for another 3 runways. Build 2 more, new terminal. Current terminal can be designated the low cost airline terminal, keeping things separate... ;) A new direct high speed line to London. (Must be subsidised to keep the ticket prices down to make the airport attractive).

It's closer than NRT is to Tokyo.

This would seem like a logical solution, but there are so many people with a "Not in my backyard, but must be local to me" opinion, I just can't see it happening - its not a personally suitable location for those that make the decisions.

Jimmie76 Apr 8, 2012 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by T8191 (Post 18355588)
I just look forward to the day when any Govt actually grasps this nettle and does something ... It's got to the stage where "the National interest" over-rides the rights of the lesser brown newt/moth/rodent. And, indeed, the Greater NIMBY. ;)

So you'd be all for a two or three new super long runways on JER (15,000ft each should do it) and a high speed rail link to get to the UK? ;):D

flyingcrazy Apr 8, 2012 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by Jimmie76 (Post 18356823)
So you'd be all for a two or three new super long runways on JER (15,000ft each should do it) and a high speed rail link to get to the UK? ;):D

Actually it could work for BAA to buy Blackbushe airfield (13 miles south) and demolish the area around it and buy up all the farmland and build maybe 2,3 or 4 4500 meter long runways and a huge terminal to go with it. Then link it up with Heathrow with a super fast monorail train system and create a six runway Heathrow.

Blackbushe could become Heathrow 2 or something and could house of BA and Virgins A380s to compete better with the rising threat of Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways at their vast desert hubs

exilencfc Apr 8, 2012 5:23 pm


Originally Posted by oscietra (Post 18280529)
Actually, Virgin had a stake in London and Continental Railways while BA used to own part of Eurostar. So it wasn't such a strange possibility....

Beardy ordered the paint for redoing the Eurostars. He was quite upset when he was told it wasn't going to happen.

Going back to the noise issue for a minute... I grew up in Reading, I suspect that our school break times were delibirately timed to coincide with Concorde going over - you couldn't properly hear what the person next to you was saying. Nowadays I live near Reading, noise wise I don't notice the smaller aircraft coming over but the 747s are an annoyance.

Assuming it could be done, expanding STN makes sense to me given that it could be accessed from the north without going through London if the appropriate links were built. This in turn would reduce congestion in London (and thus pollution) whilst creating new economic opportunities around the new transport links

On the whole Heathwick sounds like a better idea than Boris Island.

hfly Apr 8, 2012 5:31 pm

I love all these talks about "high speed" transport being built, this in a place where the final leg of the Eurostar took decades to build, longer in fact that the Channel Tunnel itself, a place where Crossrail is currently 35 years late and running, etc etc.

Jimmie76 Apr 8, 2012 6:20 pm


Originally Posted by hfly (Post 18357045)
I love all these talks about "high speed" transport being built, this in a place where the final leg of the Eurostar took decades to build, longer in fact that the Channel Tunnel itself, a place where Crossrail is currently 35 years late and running, etc etc.

My last post was tongue in cheek you know. :p

destere Apr 8, 2012 6:26 pm

As far as I can see, and I do know some people who work with this sort of thing, that STN is the only realistic long term solution. Everything else seems to be a short term patchwork that's going to leave us wondering what the hell to do 20-30 years later.


Originally Posted by Jimmie76 (Post 18356823)
So you'd be all for a two or three new super long runways on JER (15,000ft each should do it) and a high speed rail link to get to the UK? ;):D

I'd say expand Heathrow with a another 2 runways. You don't need to touch the villages. Just build them over a couple of those reservoirs to the west of it. There's a hosepipe ban anyway, so we're not gonna need them... ;)

origin Apr 9, 2012 2:09 am


Originally Posted by destere (Post 18357194)
As far as I can see, and I do know some people who work with this sort of thing, that STN is the only realistic long term solution. Everything else seems to be a short term patchwork that's going to leave us wondering what the hell to do 20-30 years later.

Its 15 years that the country will be grid locked. We need to do something now.

BOH Apr 9, 2012 2:22 am


Originally Posted by destere (Post 18357194)
As far as I can see, and I do know some people who work with this sort of thing, that STN is the only realistic long term solution. Everything else seems to be a short term patchwork that's going to leave us wondering what the hell to do 20-30 years later.

Think of the jobs that will be created too in these recessionary times. Lots of construction workers no doubt available in the SE now that the Olympic sites are largely complete.

T8191 Apr 9, 2012 3:15 am


Originally Posted by BOH (Post 18358422)
Think of the jobs that will be created too in these recessionary times. Lots of construction workers no doubt available in the SE now that the Olympic sites are largely complete.

I think most of those workers may have gone back to Poland by now. :)

paulwuk Apr 9, 2012 3:22 am


Originally Posted by flyingcrazy (Post 18355467)
I actually think they should build the third runway AND utilise the runway at Northolt

that would give the UK a 4 runway Hub similar in size and capacity to Boris Island and a hell of a lot cheaper :D

NHT is 6 miles from Heathrow, with a lot of buildings between. How would you run them as a single airport (with taxi-ing from one to the other). Expanding LHR to the west would require dropping the M25 into a tunnel, but apart from that there's not a great deal out that way.

origin Apr 9, 2012 3:32 am


Originally Posted by paulwuk (Post 18358546)
Expanding LHR to the west would require dropping the M25 into a tunnel, but apart from that there's not a great deal out that way.

I dont know how safe a tunnel would be, I know Manchester has them under their runways. But if someone wanted to cause disruption then park a van in the tunnel etc.

flyingcrazy Apr 9, 2012 3:50 am


Originally Posted by origin (Post 18358577)
I dont know how safe a tunnel would be, I know Manchester has them under their runways. But if someone wanted to cause disruption then park a van in the tunnel etc.

you can park a van in the middle of a road as well


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 3:06 am.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.