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GUWonder Sep 23, 2010 3:24 am


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 14755275)
No, monitor was correct and I was wrong

Not according to the posts above and the emails provided here.

According to the emails, the clock can and sometimes will be running, like your post stated, on your new membership even if support for your local airport is still years away. How so? By using the card at a CLEAR airport which is not the customer's local airport, even years before (if ever) CLEAR exists at the customer's local airport.

Global_Hi_Flyer Sep 23, 2010 6:58 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 14760106)
Not according to the posts above and the emails provided here.

According to the emails, the clock can and sometimes will be running, like your post stated, on your new membership even if support for your local airport is still years away. How so? By using the card at a CLEAR airport which is not the customer's local airport, even years before (if ever) CLEAR exists at the customer's local airport.

True. But if one frequents one of the airports where CLEAR will offer an advantage (MCO, for example, and possibly DEN), it may well be worth it. Traveler has to make the choice.

monitor Sep 23, 2010 8:09 am

This is an easy one for me. Everything works and I am putting the "ionizing radiation" question over on the same shelf that I have for "global warming." It may or may not exist but will have little or no effect on my quality of life and so it is safe for me to ignore. My metal knee no longer will require me to bear the intrusive patdowns that I now get every time.

I frequent LGA and SDF and others where the Clear lines were very helpful so if the clock starts to run at any place that I use all the time, I care not if it is not yet in one of my "home" airports. That nonsense about the clock starting to run is for leisure travelers to worry about since they go to a different airport every weekend and might be tempted to use it in a place where they are unlikely to return.

clipsmeyer Sep 23, 2010 10:30 am

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry9650/5.0.0.699 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/104)

What is the tennative date for MCO to open. I am so excited for clear to be back. I've really missed it esp since allegant has moved most of its operations to mco from san. I hate the 6am infrequent flyers that freak out the tsa agents when they leave their dogs in the carrier and run it through the x-ray machine. With clear I could park my car at the valet and be at the gate in 6 min flat now its 30-50 min. That amount of time adds up clearing every few days

uElliots Sep 23, 2010 6:04 pm

i am looking forward to this as well

Xyzzy Sep 23, 2010 6:31 pm

I am looking forward to the latest iteration of this c:rolleyes:mpany going where the last one did -- bankruptcy court.

monitor Sep 23, 2010 7:12 pm


Originally Posted by xyzzy (Post 14768118)
I am looking forward to the latest iteration of this c:rolleyes:mpany going where the last one did -- bankruptcy court.

The two of us have about 180+/- days on our (comped) membership and certainly hope that it will last that long. I sure don't know if they will be able to sell enough of these memberships to keep themselves in business.

VPescado Sep 24, 2010 9:41 am


Originally Posted by monitor (Post 14768664)
The two of us have about 180+/- days on our (comped) membership and certainly hope that it will last that long. I sure don't know if they will be able to sell enough of these memberships to keep themselves in business.

I would expect - unless they are *really* really* stupid that their business plan gives them a very large reserve of cash to maintain operations until they become profitable.

Of course it remains a reasonable question as to whether or not they will ever make a profit. There is certainly demand for it. But it's not clear (to me) that there is sufficient demand. And picking the optimal price point is going to be very difficult.

LessO2 Sep 24, 2010 9:48 am


Originally Posted by VPescado (Post 14775204)
I would expect - unless they are *really* really* stupid that their business plan gives them a very large reserve of cash to maintain operations until they become profitable.

Of course it remains a reasonable question as to whether or not they will ever make a profit. There is certainly demand for it. But it's not clear (to me) that there is sufficient demand. And picking the optimal price point is going to be very difficult.

The need is still the same as in the first incarnation of Clear, it needs to provide a bigger difference than just being a line-cutting program.

With the TSA's ever-growing desire to wrap its tentacles over every square inch of our bodies, the hill for Clear is significantly steeper than the first time.

VPescado Sep 24, 2010 10:06 am


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 14775281)
The need is still the same as in the first incarnation of Clear, it needs to provide a bigger difference than just being a line-cutting program.

I'm not sure this is true. I absolutely agree that it is nonsensical to do TSA vetting and then only provide line cutting. But I really don't think it affects the majority of those likely to sign up.

I think the value proposition for most is "You give us some money and we get you through security faster - especially when there are really long lines".

It would be an added benefit if it also got you out of some of the security theater . . .but would that likely make the difference to people to sign up? I doubt it. And those that might be tempted would be the ones most likely to object to giving their info, fingerprints, and iris photos to a private company.

LessO2 Sep 24, 2010 10:20 am


Originally Posted by VPescado (Post 14775465)
I'm not sure this is true. I absolutely agree that it is nonsensical to do TSA vetting and then only provide line cutting. But I really don't think it affects the majority of those likely to sign up.

I think the value proposition for most is "You give us some money and we get you through security faster - especially when there are really long lines".

It would be an added benefit if it also got you out of some of the security theater . . .but would that likely make the difference to people to sign up? I doubt it. And those that might be tempted would be the ones most likely to object to giving their info, fingerprints, and iris photos to a private company.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

My home airport had Clear back in the day. On a couple of occasions (and it was only two, if I remember correctly), I overheard people musing about joining Clear. Fast-forwarding, I mentioned that the only benefit is cutting the line, they turned sour on the notion of signing up for Clear.

It's hardly a proper sample, but I would imagine there are a lot more people that would be in that boat.

If word got out that Clear members would be exempt from things like shoe removal or the liquid nonsense, their enrollment numbers would spike in a big time way.

But again it's doubtful given the TSA's iron fist, that they would ever be able to do something like that.

mikew99 Sep 24, 2010 11:07 am

For me, the line-cutting benefit alone is worth the money, no question about it. But I don't know how many other people will pay for this TSA Fastpass.

I'm thrilled that Clear is coming back, but I wonder what Alclear will do differently than VIP to ensure Clear's success?

uElliots Sep 25, 2010 5:33 am

I just wanted to confirm something, that email from clear is legit?

SFO 1K Sep 25, 2010 9:03 am


Originally Posted by uElliots (Post 14784826)
I just wanted to confirm something, that email from clear is legit?

Yes

Xyzzy Sep 25, 2010 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by uElliots (Post 14784826)
I just wanted to confirm something, that email from clear is legit?

Yes -- now a different company wants to take money from you so y:rolleyes:u can cut the line.


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