The Consolidated CLEAR Information Thread (Locations, Promotions, Value)
#91
Join Date: May 2011
Location: San Antonio, TX
Programs: AA EXP, DL Silver, Global Entry
Posts: 1,863
Personally for our travel I really can't see the advantage of CLEAR. Maybe it works well for those who have it in their home airport and travel to and from the few cities that have CLEAR. We have CLEAR here but then again the line has been closed down the last two times we flew out so that's another issue.
UPDATE: Texted with a friend locally who is a CLEAR member. Turns out CLEAR only operates Monday through Friday locally. Not much use for business or vacation travelers who have to fly on Saturday or Sunday.
Last edited by Randyk47; Mar 23, 2015 at 8:42 am Reason: Update
#92
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Newport Beach / San Francisco / Seattle
Programs: UA GS 1MM, Amex Centurion, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Ambassador
Posts: 289
So I heard a radio commercial for CLEAR offering some period of free enrollment, I bit. I entered some info online and was required to come to the airport to complete the sign-up process. I entered a promo code, FLYVEGAS .
When I got to LAS, I walked right past the large but invisible CLEAR booth and woiund up next door at the PreCheck booth. PreCheck, it was explained, is $99.. The heck with that, I've got CLEAR for free!
I finally found the booth where my passport, DL, eyes and fingers were duly scanned. The young lady said I would be receiving my CLEAR card in 7 days. "So this means I don't have to take off my shoes? How much is the enrollment after the free trial period?" $179, and you still do have to take off your shoes. The only thing you get for your $179 is a pass to the front of the security line.
1. All you get is a line pass? For $179??!! And you still have to take off your shoes??!!
2. If all you get is a line pass, what's the point of collecting your eyeball and fingerprint scans? Who cares if some bad guy with bad-guy fingerprints gets to go to the front of the line? There wouldn't be any increased risk or threat to aviation, right?
3. What's the value proposition of this? Surely any DYKWIA can figure out how to get to the front of the line? For example by buying an upgrade??
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When I got to LAS, I walked right past the large but invisible CLEAR booth and woiund up next door at the PreCheck booth. PreCheck, it was explained, is $99.. The heck with that, I've got CLEAR for free!
I finally found the booth where my passport, DL, eyes and fingers were duly scanned. The young lady said I would be receiving my CLEAR card in 7 days. "So this means I don't have to take off my shoes? How much is the enrollment after the free trial period?" $179, and you still do have to take off your shoes. The only thing you get for your $179 is a pass to the front of the security line.
1. All you get is a line pass? For $179??!! And you still have to take off your shoes??!!
2. If all you get is a line pass, what's the point of collecting your eyeball and fingerprint scans? Who cares if some bad guy with bad-guy fingerprints gets to go to the front of the line? There wouldn't be any increased risk or threat to aviation, right?
3. What's the value proposition of this? Surely any DYKWIA can figure out how to get to the front of the line? For example by buying an upgrade??
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There are two points where you will interact with TSA at the airport - the first is an identity check and the second is the baggage check/body scanner/metal detector. Clear is in place to address the former. To answer question #2 - biometric information is collected so that you can bypass the identity verification part of the TSA experience (the first line that leads up to the guy who takes your boarding pass and your ID and stares at it and scribbles nonsense on your boarding pass before waving you on to the xray machines). The information ISN'T collected for the purposes of a background check/security clearance - it's simply to verify your identity so you don't have to wait in line to meet TSA greeter #1. That said, here's why I believe Clear will be beneficial to me:
My home airport is SNA, which does NOT have Clear. Fortunately, SNA is a small airport and it doesn't take me long to get from curbside to the lounge most days. My work airport, however, is SFO and I fly United. At SFO, the Premier/elite and Pre-Check lines are insane. Example: as 1K, I was 19th on the waitlist for an upgrade today. 19th! That said, both the Pre-check line and the elite line are absurdly long. I've never even looked at what the "general" (no status, no pre-check) line looks like. The Clear line has been nearly empty every single time I've seen it. If signing up for Clear gets me a line pass to the front of the Pre-check line, I'm all for it. And no, there is no DYKWIA trick to get to the front of the general queue. Buying an "upgrade" does not entitle you to cut to the front of the line - many of the other folks in the Premier/elite line are also carrying domestic First/International Business/Global First boarding passes. And the Pre-check line doesn't consider status/fare class/etc.
mbstone - it sounds like what you need is Pre-check if keeping your shoes on is your main concern (question #1). I haven't taken my shoes off or my laptop out stateside for the last 6 years or so courtesy of Pre-check (which I got from Global Entry). I may feel different about it once I try Clear for myself, but I'm personally looking forward to stacking it with Pre-check to shorten my airport check-in time even more.
Hope this helps
Edit to add: Clear operates every day at SFO 5am - varying hours, which is awesome for me
Last edited by immaculate; Mar 25, 2015 at 3:41 am Reason: editing to add clarification re: buying an upgrade to get to front of line
#93
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: SJC
Programs: Spire Amb IHG, HH Gold, TR Diamond, Mlife Plat, National Exec, Avis Pref Plus
Posts: 144
I'm here researching Clear myself for a [likely] future purchase. Here's how I understand it:
There are two points where you will interact with TSA at the airport - the first is an identity check and the second is the baggage check/body scanner/metal detector. Clear is in place to address the former. To answer question #2 - biometric information is collected so that you can bypass the identity verification part of the TSA experience (the first line that leads up to the guy who takes your boarding pass and your ID and stares at it and scribbles nonsense on your boarding pass before waving you on to the xray machines). The information ISN'T collected for the purposes of a background check/security clearance - it's simply to verify your identity so you don't have to wait in line to meet TSA greeter #1. That said, here's why I believe Clear will be beneficial to me:
My home airport is SNA, which does NOT have Clear. Fortunately, SNA is a small airport and it doesn't take me long to get from curbside to the lounge most days. My work airport, however, is SFO and I fly United. At SFO, the Premier/elite and Pre-Check lines are insane. Example: as 1K, I was 19th on the waitlist for an upgrade today. 19th! That said, both the Pre-check line and the elite line are absurdly long. I've never even looked at what the "general" (no status, no pre-check) line looks like. The Clear line has been nearly empty every single time I've seen it. If signing up for Clear gets me a line pass to the front of the Pre-check line, I'm all for it. And no, there is no DYKWIA trick to get to the front of the general queue. Buying an "upgrade" does not entitle you to cut to the front of the line - many of the other folks in the Premier/elite line are also carrying domestic First/International Business/Global First boarding passes. And the Pre-check line doesn't consider status/fare class/etc.
mbstone - it sounds like what you need is Pre-check if keeping your shoes on is your main concern (question #1). I haven't taken my shoes off or my laptop out stateside for the last 6 years or so courtesy of Pre-check (which I got from Global Entry). I may feel different about it once I try Clear for myself, but I'm personally looking forward to stacking it with Pre-check to shorten my airport check-in time even more.
Hope this helps
Edit to add: Clear operates every day at SFO 5am - varying hours, which is awesome for me
There are two points where you will interact with TSA at the airport - the first is an identity check and the second is the baggage check/body scanner/metal detector. Clear is in place to address the former. To answer question #2 - biometric information is collected so that you can bypass the identity verification part of the TSA experience (the first line that leads up to the guy who takes your boarding pass and your ID and stares at it and scribbles nonsense on your boarding pass before waving you on to the xray machines). The information ISN'T collected for the purposes of a background check/security clearance - it's simply to verify your identity so you don't have to wait in line to meet TSA greeter #1. That said, here's why I believe Clear will be beneficial to me:
My home airport is SNA, which does NOT have Clear. Fortunately, SNA is a small airport and it doesn't take me long to get from curbside to the lounge most days. My work airport, however, is SFO and I fly United. At SFO, the Premier/elite and Pre-Check lines are insane. Example: as 1K, I was 19th on the waitlist for an upgrade today. 19th! That said, both the Pre-check line and the elite line are absurdly long. I've never even looked at what the "general" (no status, no pre-check) line looks like. The Clear line has been nearly empty every single time I've seen it. If signing up for Clear gets me a line pass to the front of the Pre-check line, I'm all for it. And no, there is no DYKWIA trick to get to the front of the general queue. Buying an "upgrade" does not entitle you to cut to the front of the line - many of the other folks in the Premier/elite line are also carrying domestic First/International Business/Global First boarding passes. And the Pre-check line doesn't consider status/fare class/etc.
mbstone - it sounds like what you need is Pre-check if keeping your shoes on is your main concern (question #1). I haven't taken my shoes off or my laptop out stateside for the last 6 years or so courtesy of Pre-check (which I got from Global Entry). I may feel different about it once I try Clear for myself, but I'm personally looking forward to stacking it with Pre-check to shorten my airport check-in time even more.
Hope this helps
Edit to add: Clear operates every day at SFO 5am - varying hours, which is awesome for me
#94
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: NorCal - 1K 2MM
Posts: 2,089
CLEAR card no longer required by CLEAR?
Did any/all other CLEAR members get a recent email saying that the card is no longer required, but instead use "your preferred biometric?" In my case there's an imbedded cartoon and caption that shows and states "left thumb", but I've always been asked at CLEAR for my right index finger. What are they trying to say?
#96
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Boulder, Colorado
Programs: UA 1K (MM), MR Plat Prem, Hertz Pres
Posts: 1,164
CLEAR partnership offers?
Just noticed that my CLEAR membership is up for renewal in a couple of months, and wondered if there are any program or CC partnerships that include it. I bought so many years of CLEAR when I first joined that I've not paid attention much since. Any clues?
#97
Join Date: May 2013
Location: New York
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott LTPP, Hertz Five Star
Posts: 1,079
I had CLEAR for a little while back when Clear was offering 6 months free with Visa Signature. At the time, I already had Precheck and I was going through IAH terminal A often (non-United Carriers). Usually the PreCheck line wasn't that long - I think it allowed me to skip a fifteen minute precheck line once. At HPN the hours are typically limited (5-10AM on weekdays only, no weekends).
Now you don't need the separate smart card (not sure why it was needed with boarding pass/biometric). They offer me a free trip via email once in a while and every once in a while three months.
Getting offered $100/yr for Clear as a promo rate when Precheck is $85 (from TSA, or $100 Global Entry/$50 for Nexus for 5 years, with other benefits for the latter two) is very weak especially considering the wait in Pre lines is very long.
I took a quick look now and I don't see any current offers for Credit cards to either pay for Clear or give new members more months free than publicly available trials.
Now you don't need the separate smart card (not sure why it was needed with boarding pass/biometric). They offer me a free trip via email once in a while and every once in a while three months.
Getting offered $100/yr for Clear as a promo rate when Precheck is $85 (from TSA, or $100 Global Entry/$50 for Nexus for 5 years, with other benefits for the latter two) is very weak especially considering the wait in Pre lines is very long.
I took a quick look now and I don't see any current offers for Credit cards to either pay for Clear or give new members more months free than publicly available trials.
#98
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: LAS - Las Vegas
Programs: Southwest
Posts: 131
Is CLEAR viable?
It doesn't seem like there are many subscribers to it, likely balking at the $179 annual membership fee. Do you think membership levels will suddenly grow with Delta's investment in it?
#99
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Danville, CA, USA;
Programs: UA 1MM, WN CP, Marriott LT Plat, Hilton Gold, IC Plat
Posts: 15,721
Every year I reconsider the cost, which is discounted if you have a Signature visa (or a corporate discount) but still runs near $175 with spouse.
On the plus side Clear is now available at my local baseball stadium, which in some ways is even more valuable than the airport service.
On the minus side, Clear has completely disappeared from the UA checkpoint at IAH Terminal C, and similarly never seems to be open at Terminal E for early morning transfers.
Now that PreCheck appears to be fairly predictable for me (wasn't always the case) it may finally be time to jettison Clear.
On the plus side Clear is now available at my local baseball stadium, which in some ways is even more valuable than the airport service.
On the minus side, Clear has completely disappeared from the UA checkpoint at IAH Terminal C, and similarly never seems to be open at Terminal E for early morning transfers.
Now that PreCheck appears to be fairly predictable for me (wasn't always the case) it may finally be time to jettison Clear.
#100
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: LAS - Las Vegas
Programs: Southwest
Posts: 131
Every year I reconsider the cost, which is discounted if you have a Signature visa (or a corporate discount) but still runs near $175 with spouse.
On the plus side Clear is now available at my local baseball stadium, which in some ways is even more valuable than the airport service.
On the minus side, Clear has completely disappeared from the UA checkpoint at IAH Terminal C, and similarly never seems to be open at Terminal E for early morning transfers.
Now that PreCheck appears to be fairly predictable for me (wasn't always the case) it may finally be time to jettison Clear.
On the plus side Clear is now available at my local baseball stadium, which in some ways is even more valuable than the airport service.
On the minus side, Clear has completely disappeared from the UA checkpoint at IAH Terminal C, and similarly never seems to be open at Terminal E for early morning transfers.
Now that PreCheck appears to be fairly predictable for me (wasn't always the case) it may finally be time to jettison Clear.
#102
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Denver, CO
Programs: UA Silver, Bonvoy Gold, Hyatt Discoverist
Posts: 21,548
Middle name issue using Clear
I have a hyphenated middle name. For the sake of this post, let's say the name on my birth certificate is...
First name: Pseudo
Middle name: Saab-Volvo
Last name: Swede
My passport is listed as such, too.
When I registered with Clear, I used my driver's license. It reads: Pseudo Saab Volvo Swede (no hyphen).
My boarding passes look like... SWEDE\PSEUDOSAABVOLVOMR
When I use the Clear Kiosk, it says there is a name mis-match. The Clear system says my name is...
First name: Pseudo
Middle name: Saab
Last name: Volvo Swede
Naturally, it says the boarding pass is...
First name: Pseudo
Middle name: Saab Volvo
Last name: Swede
The Clear employee will simply override the mismatch after seeing my driver's license, but it's an added annoyance.
I asked Clear customer support how I need to correct this, and they said I can go to a Clear enrollment center, and they can fix it. When I went to an enrollment center, they said it's an airline issue.
Does anyone know how I can get this fixed?
First name: Pseudo
Middle name: Saab-Volvo
Last name: Swede
My passport is listed as such, too.
When I registered with Clear, I used my driver's license. It reads: Pseudo Saab Volvo Swede (no hyphen).
My boarding passes look like... SWEDE\PSEUDOSAABVOLVOMR
When I use the Clear Kiosk, it says there is a name mis-match. The Clear system says my name is...
First name: Pseudo
Middle name: Saab
Last name: Volvo Swede
Naturally, it says the boarding pass is...
First name: Pseudo
Middle name: Saab Volvo
Last name: Swede
The Clear employee will simply override the mismatch after seeing my driver's license, but it's an added annoyance.
I asked Clear customer support how I need to correct this, and they said I can go to a Clear enrollment center, and they can fix it. When I went to an enrollment center, they said it's an airline issue.
Does anyone know how I can get this fixed?
Last edited by pseudoswede; May 19, 2016 at 10:50 am
#103
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Denver, CO
Programs: UA Silver, Bonvoy Gold, Hyatt Discoverist
Posts: 21,548
Update
I went to the enrollment center again yesterday, and the Clear employee re-scanned my driver's license using various methods. Eventually, the kiosk simply displayed my name as Pseudo Swede. We went with that.
Unfortunately, since this was an account update, it requires 24 hours processing time. Instead, I was escorted through the premium class line (which was empty).
I went to the enrollment center again yesterday, and the Clear employee re-scanned my driver's license using various methods. Eventually, the kiosk simply displayed my name as Pseudo Swede. We went with that.
Unfortunately, since this was an account update, it requires 24 hours processing time. Instead, I was escorted through the premium class line (which was empty).
#104
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,391
They have CLEAR at LAS. I use Precheck- my last time through LAS took all of 5 minutes to go through TSA. I have no idea why anyone who would get Precheck would want CLEAR; as far as I can tell it doesn't do anything Precheck doesn't do.
#105
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sunny Seattle
Programs: AS MVPG 75K, HH Diamond
Posts: 539
The PreCheck lines at DEN and SJC go alongside their CLEAR lines, and in all the times I've been through those airports, I think I've seen passengers using CLEAR once. $180 per year?!