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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by stupidhead
^At some point it becomes cheaper to just BUY shampoo/conditioner/body wash at the destination than to bring it and check it in your luggage, if you have to pay the checked luggage extortion fee.
I figured that out several years ago. Lot easier to stop at a CVS or Walgreens than to worry about stuff spilling out etc. All I take is Clothes & my laptop/work.
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by FreakwentFlier
This happened to me a few months back, was on a week long trip so I had checked a bag and had my computer bag overhead in UA E+. The plane fills up, one of the last people onboard brought in a bag that was to big to fit under his seat, which was at least 10 rows back. The FA asked me if I would take my bag out and put it under my seat so he could have my space. I answered that I would, as one *must* comply with the FA, however, I'd also like a complaint form brought to me so I could pass along my displeasure in being penalized for another's actions.

The FA wasn't too happy with me and made a couple of snide comments before finding other space for the bag. After she left, my seat mate congratulated me and we had a nice chat about the joys of Freakwent flying.

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What airline did this?
What was wrong with a pax near him, ie, row across or directly in front or back doing it?
Unbelievable.
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 12:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Scots_Al
The way things are these days with liquids, if you are travelling for more than a few days, you'll probably be packing more liquids than you can get in the little plastic bag, and so checking a bag anyway - why would you then want to carry more than you have to onboard?
Reasons to carry on:

1. Less risk of your bag being lost, delayed, or stolen.
2. If you avoid checking any bags, you do not have to wait at the baggage carousel.
3. If you avoid checking any bags, you have more options for doing standby, rebooking, etc..

If you are staying in a hotel, shampoo, conditioner, and soap are generally provided. For toothpaste, bring the small sample tubes that the dentist gives you at checkups. That will keep your liquids under the liquid limits, so you will not have to check bags solely due to the liquid limits.
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 5:00 pm
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Leisure traveler here (never traveled for business, never will)

When Mr HBB and I travel, we never check anything.....we put both 22' bags in overhead bin, anything else under our seats. The chaos of boarding, sitting in way less space then needed, and chaos of unloading will continue....just give in to the madness......and breathe.....

my .02$
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Old Oct 21, 2008 | 5:02 pm
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plus, who said life is fair?
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by DFW_Airwolf
Well I do believe that CHARGING for overhead space may be inevitable. Many people never believed the airlines would charge for Baggage, Food, Blankets etc. But they do now !!!

So charging for Overhead BIN space may be the next big revenue idea. Then if you cant put it in the floor in front of you, KaChing, please deposit more $$$ please.

So far it seems the FF's here have a certain ARROGANCE about "I am a FF & I get to do what I want". Overall something FAIR needs to be done.
Charging really seems the way to go here. Firstly it makes sense and is equitable. Including exempting pax with status. (I believe most people don't object to status pax getting perks as long as those perks are transparent.) Secondly, airlines have opened up an iniquitous arbitrage opportunity by charging for checked luggage. ("Mabel, now you listen to me: you take that kitchen sink as hand luggage or the greedy airline will charge you for extra luggage.")

Originally Posted by brp
Of course, they won't charge the elites for this, if they do implement the policy. Fair? People who spend more with a given business get more perks than those who don't. Many would consider that fair. Those who do not frequent the business but still want all the perks apparently do not.

Cheers.
As for fairness, *A gives extra checked baggage allowance, I can't see the problem with extra hand luggage allowance (IMO a much more desirable perk).

Originally Posted by MCI2OMA2ATL
The biggest and best solution to this problem is to STOP CHARGING NON FFs FOR THE FIRST BAG TO BE CHECKED.

After the implementation of the "no liquid rule" the overhead space was always wide open. There was plenty of space because a big percentage of people didn't want to mess with ziplocks and such. When the airlines started charging the masses for checking bags all of a sudden the bins filled back up again. Make the cases free to check and then most won't be up in the overhead bin to start with.
I agree to a point. But actually I think the airlines have got it all wrong. They should have started charging for extra hand luaggage, not checked luggage. That way they would have had the sympathy of the other pax who (as evidenced by this thread) deeply resent the selfish behaviour of the bin hogs.

Currently the conversation at check-in goes like this:
GA: I'm afraid I will have to charge you for the second checked bag.
Pax: That's outrageous. In that case I'll take it as hand luggage.

How much better for all concerned if it went like this:
GA: Here's your label for the one piece of hand luggage you are allowed. Oh, you have more pieces... that will be $xx per piece unless you check them.
Pax: That's outrageous. In that case I'll check this and this.

Originally Posted by Scots_Al
Hmm, that's a bit backward - airlines are starting to charge for checked bags, not only because it is a source of revenue, but also to discourage people to check bags, which has the twin benefits of reducing their ground handling costs and turn-around times.

I have to say, I have rarely seen this become a major issue in Europe, and am shocked everytime I fly in the States at the size of carry-ons that people bring (and are allowed!). Perhaps the simplest solution is simply to reduce carry-on size limits. The way things are these days with liquids, if you are travelling for more than a few days, you'll probably be packing more liquids than you can get in the little plastic bag, and so checking a bag anyway - why would you then want to carry more than you have to onboard?
I doubt they mind the handling if they get paid for it. Maybe they would even do it better if they were.

Originally Posted by ACB
I'm all for this. I am no longer a frequent flyer so I don't have the privileges I used to have. I HATE carting my suitcase around and would prefer to check it. My $30 can be better spent elsewhere, so now my bag is in the overhead taking up space. When it was free, I never, ever put anything in the overhead--just put a purse and backpack under the seat in front of me.
Support for my thesis.

Originally Posted by tjl
Reasons to carry on:

1. Less risk of your bag being lost, delayed, or stolen.
2. If you avoid checking any bags, you do not have to wait at the baggage carousel.
3. If you avoid checking any bags, you have more options for doing standby, rebooking, etc.
All very valid. Why don't airlines realise that they are begging pax to take everything on board?
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 5:43 pm
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I must say, this thread has answered so many questions for me about where our society is. People complain about poor service, staff not being friendly or hard-working etc but from what I've read it seems neither are some pax!

It's been my experience that the business pax are just as bad as leisure pax about stowing baggage. They throw their bag sideways, throw in their little bag, take out their laptop and take their seats with NO regard for the way they used the space. I can't believe the egocentricity I see on the daily basis. All of this "I don't care if it's fair." "I earned it..."

Did YOU buy your tickets... or was it your company, because I'm sure those leisure pax with no place to stow their bags bought their own tickets out of pocket and to me they are just as entitled to the bin space as anyone else.

This attitude that people seem to carry around that they are the ONLY ones in the world seems to be eating away at the little that's left of our manners in today's society. Does it really impose on people to be kind or courteous to others? Is it so much to ask? Would you not want someone to do the same for you?

All airline have rules and regs and in terms of boarding and stowing luggage, if people would actually listen to announcements made by cabin crew instead of ignoring us then we might just be able to accommodate everyone's belongings.

Just today I was serving some business pax, going through offering beverages with a smile on my face (as usual) and when asking, "Sir/Miss can I offer you something to drink?" I get this evil stare and they wave me off with the hand. If they're sleeping and I try to gently wake them to offer something I get the same annoyed look and if I skip past without waking people then they ring the bell so say "Um, I was skipped, I need a Coke!" ...No... I didn't miss you, you missed ME.

Even being nice proves difficult and sometimes leaves me wondering WHAT emotion or attitude people are expecting from me! These days it seems you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Please remember that the plane IS public transportation and that while I certainly don't expect you to allow anyone to encroach on your seat space; the overhead bin space is shared space and purposefully being a hog, being rude about it, acting as though you're entitled to more (as seems common these days) just goes to show that we have all but lost our sense of grace. People talk about the "good ole days" of flying... I can assure you, these over-inflated self-entitled rude, egotistical attitudes weren't part of the experience.

*To those who ARE kind, courteous and appreciative of service, THANK YOU! YOU make me want to work harder. Today I was going through collecting refuse and this man dug ALL of his snack wrappers out of his seatback pocket. I was SHOCKED so jokingly I told him "You're hired! I really appreciate you taking all of that out!" He simply said, 'Well of course, I'm the one who put it there." WOW.... it's sad that this moment made me smile... something so simple that we all should do.
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Old Oct 22, 2008 | 9:46 pm
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CABNcrew, thank you very much for your post. I couldn't have said it better myself. I especially enjoyed this:

Did YOU buy your tickets... or was it your company, because I'm sure those leisure pax with no place to stow their bags bought their own tickets out of pocket and to me they are just as entitled to the bin space as anyone else.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 7:36 am
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Originally Posted by CABNcrew
Did YOU buy your tickets... or was it your company, because I'm sure those leisure pax with no place to stow their bags bought their own tickets out of pocket and to me they are just as entitled to the bin space as anyone else.
Can you explain how this is relevant? Who cares who paid for the ticket? I am getting a bit fed up with the attitude that if the person flying is getting reimbursed for their fare, they are somehow less entitled or less deserving of the "perks" of air travel. If you're saying that everyone should be treated fairly, I agree. But status is earned by loyalty not by the source of the cash.

Personally, I fit into both categories as I AM my company and every dollar I spend on airfare is pretty much out of my pocket.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by shiner
<SNIP> Personally, I fit into both categories as I AM my company and every dollar I spend on airfare is pretty much out of my pocket.
Same here, and I’m sure many others are as well.
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Old Oct 23, 2008 | 9:52 am
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I used to envy those who got free upgrades and always sat in first or had an exit row. Then I became a FF and got the perks and envied those who didn't have to travel two or three times a week. You flew the miles so you definitely earned the perks regardless of who footed the bill for the ticket.

Now I no longer have FF status *cough* GROUP 6 *cough*, but am still that guy boarding after the last person in first. You just have to look like you are PLATINUM or EXECPLAT. Well, your boarding pass does anyway.
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