Passports and felony's
Oct 21, 2008, 8:41 pm
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Passports and felony's
I just found out that in AZ getting a speeding ticket for exceeding the posted speed limit by 20mph is a felony.
No, I didnt get one but a call came into my GF's law office and the caller was wondering if its worth hiring an atty to plea down ( i would).
If you had one of these felony's on your record would that negate your passport or would it prevent you from ever getting one again?
No, I didnt get one but a call came into my GF's law office and the caller was wondering if its worth hiring an atty to plea down ( i would).
If you had one of these felony's on your record would that negate your passport or would it prevent you from ever getting one again?
Oct 21, 2008, 9:06 pm
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Oct 21, 2008, 9:37 pm
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Although a felon could qualify for a passport, save for a few exceptions, another country could refuse admittance to someone convicted of a felony, if, for example, the receiving country deemed the felony to show adverse moral character for admission. Several FT threads have discussed Canada refusing admission to U.S. felons even when the felony conviction occurred years ago. See: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=673580
Oct 21, 2008, 11:22 pm
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Reckless Driving (Felony or Misdemeanor)
Reckless driving - speeding in excess of 80 mph (11 years)
Reckless driving - speeding 20 mph or more above the posted speed limit (11 years)
Reckless driving - racing (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing or overtaking an emergency vehicle (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing a school bus (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing on the crest of a hill (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing at a railroad crossing (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing two vehicles abreast (11 years)
Reckless driving - driving two vehicles abreast (11 years)
Reckless driving - driving too fast for conditions (11 years)
Reckless driving - failing to give a proper signal (11 years)
Reckless driving - faulty brakes/improper control (11 years)
Reckless driving - on parking lots, etc. (11 years)
Reckless driving - with an obstructed view (11 years)
Reckless driving - generally (11 years)
Speeding 20 mph or more above the posted speed limit (5 years)
Reckless driving - speeding in excess of 80 mph (11 years)
Reckless driving - speeding 20 mph or more above the posted speed limit (11 years)
Reckless driving - racing (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing or overtaking an emergency vehicle (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing a school bus (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing on the crest of a hill (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing at a railroad crossing (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing two vehicles abreast (11 years)
Reckless driving - driving two vehicles abreast (11 years)
Reckless driving - driving too fast for conditions (11 years)
Reckless driving - failing to give a proper signal (11 years)
Reckless driving - faulty brakes/improper control (11 years)
Reckless driving - on parking lots, etc. (11 years)
Reckless driving - with an obstructed view (11 years)
Reckless driving - generally (11 years)
Speeding 20 mph or more above the posted speed limit (5 years)
Oct 21, 2008, 11:27 pm
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Of course, I've always wondered how another country would find out about someone's felony convictions. Do the US- Canadian databases talk to each other? Isn't that against data-sharing laws? Or is it allowed?
Oct 22, 2008, 12:33 am
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In Virginia, 20+ MPH over is Reckless Driving, which depending on the situation can be either a felony or a misdemeanor. Additionally, speeding over 100 MPH (if I remember correctly) can be prosecuted as Felony Driving With Intent to Kill.
http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/ci...s/points_6.asp
http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/ci...s/points_6.asp
11 years for a reckless driving ticket, that's crazy harsh.
I heard you guys in VA got a bunch of new surcharges that can make violations crazy expensive too.
In AZ, if you "Exceed the posted speed limit in a business or residential district by more than twenty miles per hour", or if you "exceed eighty-five miles per hour in other locations", it's "a class 3 misdemeanor"
I'm pretty sure even if you murder somebody you can still have a passport when you get out. I think you have to be convicted of treason or espionage or something to permanently lose your right to a passport. Assuming we're talking about a natural born citizen of course.
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Oct 22, 2008, 2:29 am
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As I understand it visa-waiver countries are also integrated with some sort of database (to track down stolen passports and the like). And generally, if you apply for a visa, they will do a background check in your home country.
Of course none of this is perfect. Legally, you're supposed to declare your criminal history on most customs forms, with harsh penalties if you don't. In practice, I'd imagine some people lie on the form and never get caught.
Oct 22, 2008, 3:10 am
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I believe the correct interpretation is that excessive speed becomes criminal (which is what a class 3 misdemeanor is) and you're far less likely to drive away with merely a civil citation. You'll be required to appear in court and can't simply pay your fine and/or attend traffic school ahead of time.
Oct 22, 2008, 7:13 am
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What a can a worms I've opened up in my house.
After showing my GF these posts she is sure that their is a statute for felony speeding.
She's going to ask her atty today where it falls under. Ms Perriot Mason doesnt believe FT'ers know the law like she does, I'll have to go with the FT'ers.
When asked to provide the statute for the felony speeding, she googled, oogled and schmoogled everything she could but to no avail.
This is going to be fun
After showing my GF these posts she is sure that their is a statute for felony speeding.
She's going to ask her atty today where it falls under. Ms Perriot Mason doesnt believe FT'ers know the law like she does, I'll have to go with the FT'ers.
When asked to provide the statute for the felony speeding, she googled, oogled and schmoogled everything she could but to no avail.
This is going to be fun
Oct 22, 2008, 8:09 am
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Those murderous Germans and NASCAR drivers.
Oct 22, 2008, 8:23 am
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Oct 22, 2008, 8:31 am
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Oct 22, 2008, 1:10 pm
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Just received word from Perryette Mason that her atty informed her their is no such speeding felony in AZ.
It seems my fellow FT'ers are truly a reliable source of information and I will razz her when we get home tonight.
It seems my fellow FT'ers are truly a reliable source of information and I will razz her when we get home tonight.