children in back of you?
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Sounds like the real problem here is the father not the kid....You did the right thing. I'm not sure I would have been as nice as you (And yes, I am a parent and a grandparent)
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Hi all,
My question revolves around children in back of you. I was going from SFO to JFK and couldnt get upgraded. I had a little child, between 8 10 years old, kicking my seat the entire time. Finally, I got up and kneeled down by him and said Lil dude, can you not kick my seat cause it hurts my back, ok?. I then got the death stare from his dad and had him questioning me. When I explained he was like, I will see what can I do. (It didn't solve anything.)
The question is, how do you handle this situation? Do I just call a FA over or go up to the childrens parents? I never experience this in business but I seem to always have the child kicking my seat or the crying baby next to me when in economy plus.
And, Yes, I am not a parent so I dont know how to handle children.
Best,
-l
My question revolves around children in back of you. I was going from SFO to JFK and couldnt get upgraded. I had a little child, between 8 10 years old, kicking my seat the entire time. Finally, I got up and kneeled down by him and said Lil dude, can you not kick my seat cause it hurts my back, ok?. I then got the death stare from his dad and had him questioning me. When I explained he was like, I will see what can I do. (It didn't solve anything.)
The question is, how do you handle this situation? Do I just call a FA over or go up to the childrens parents? I never experience this in business but I seem to always have the child kicking my seat or the crying baby next to me when in economy plus.
And, Yes, I am not a parent so I dont know how to handle children.
Best,
-l
#33
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I think the OP did just fine.
I hate to tell Dear Old Dad this, but if parents don't discipline their kids...the world will. And the world will not be nearly as kind.
I had the good fortune of having a responsible parent sitting behind me once.
I was exhausted from making a connection to my DFW-ATL flight.
The very small 4-5 y.o. boy behind me kicked my seat. I was so tired, I didn't say anything.
The next thing I know, he is standing by my seat with his head hanging low. I asked him if something was wrong, & he had come to apologize to me for kicking my seat.
I told him that he was a very nice person for that and that I wasn't angry with him.
While we deplaned, I turned to the mother & complimented her and her son for his good manners.
I hate to tell Dear Old Dad this, but if parents don't discipline their kids...the world will. And the world will not be nearly as kind.
I had the good fortune of having a responsible parent sitting behind me once.
I was exhausted from making a connection to my DFW-ATL flight.
The very small 4-5 y.o. boy behind me kicked my seat. I was so tired, I didn't say anything.
The next thing I know, he is standing by my seat with his head hanging low. I asked him if something was wrong, & he had come to apologize to me for kicking my seat.
I told him that he was a very nice person for that and that I wasn't angry with him.
While we deplaned, I turned to the mother & complimented her and her son for his good manners.
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The next thing I know, he is standing by my seat with his head hanging low. I asked him if something was wrong, & he had come to apologize to me for kicking my seat.
I told him that he was a very nice person for that and that I wasn't angry with him.
While we deplaned, I turned to the mother & complimented her and her son for his good manners.
I told him that he was a very nice person for that and that I wasn't angry with him.
While we deplaned, I turned to the mother & complimented her and her son for his good manners.
Let's not make excuses for air brats.
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What I usually do in this case is look the dad square in the eye and say "Sir, please keep your child from kicking my seat." If I get even the slightest look of irritation, I follow up with "because if you don't, when I get off this plane I'll beat your ... in front of him, and that wil cause you so much more trouble in the future than this flight will ever be."


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Some parents just can't win. On a recent flight I was making sure my 8 year old young bloke wasn't kicking the seat in front. However, being 8 and being a longish flight it was ineviable that he would contact the seat in front a few times. I was watching him and admonishing him whenever he accidentally kicked the seat in front. At the end of the flight the guy in front stood up and said to my young fella sarcastically "thanks for kicking my seat all the way". I apologised, despite knowing that he wasn't kicking "all the way" and mentioned to the man that I had been telling him quite often to watch out for the seat in front. He said "Yeah, I heard you"
In that situation I don't know what more I could have done.
In that situation I don't know what more I could have done.
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Interesting. I have flown over 100,000 miles a year for quite a while now and have never once encountered a child seat kicker, or an adult seat grabber for that matter.
The only unruly child I have ever encountered was about three and was running, followed by his mother, from the very back of the plane to the very front on a 757. I asked the flight attendant to suggest to the mother that she contain her son's exercise to coach and that settled the matter.
The only unruly child I have ever encountered was about three and was running, followed by his mother, from the very back of the plane to the very front on a 757. I asked the flight attendant to suggest to the mother that she contain her son's exercise to coach and that settled the matter.
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Never speak to the child; it is not his fault. The parent is responsible for the child. Speak to the parent and ask the parent to switch seats with the child as one possible solution. If you find yourself dealing with an unruly parent, contact the FA and inform him of the problem. The FA in my experience has always been able to resolve this quickly and peacefully.
Has anyone noticed that when a child travels alone, you never experience a kicking problem?
Has anyone noticed that when a child travels alone, you never experience a kicking problem?
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Some parents just can't win. On a recent flight I was making sure my 8 year old young bloke wasn't kicking the seat in front. However, being 8 and being a longish flight it was ineviable that he would contact the seat in front a few times. I was watching him and admonishing him whenever he accidentally kicked the seat in front. At the end of the flight the guy in front stood up and said to my young fella sarcastically "thanks for kicking my seat all the way". I apologised, despite knowing that he wasn't kicking "all the way" and mentioned to the man that I had been telling him quite often to watch out for the seat in front. He said "Yeah, I heard you"
In that situation I don't know what more I could have done.
In that situation I don't know what more I could have done.
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=670689
Bottom line: whatever it is that your child does (and I do not accept that because he's 8, kicking the seat in front of him was inevitable -- moreover, the fact that you had been "telling him quite often" suggests that he was doing it quite often), flying with your child is your problem, and not the problem of the person seated in front of him.
What is a parent to do? Ensure that their child doesn't kick the seat in front of them. How? Not my problem -- you're the parent. You do not have the right to make your problem the problem of strangers flying with you. No one may impose as a matter of entitlement -- that's simple courtesy.
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What is a parent to do? Ensure that their child doesn't kick the seat in front of them. How? Not my problem -- you're the parent. You do not have the right to make your problem the problem of strangers flying with you. No one may impose as a matter of entitlement -- that's simple courtesy.
Now, don't get me wrong, I've been known to hold my daughter's legs down, but sometimes "stuff" happens and contact is made. Can't exactly send her to the timeout chair (or her room or wherever) while in flight. If the kicking is more than occassional and the parent(s) aren't actually trying to do something about, I can see PAX getting angry, but when the parents are trying to correct the bad behavior being a sarcastic twit at the end of the flight doesn't accomplish anything, but make the parent angry at the it's-all-about-me attitude, especially after acknowledging that the parent was attempting to correct the situation.
The DOT could certify booster seats for flight use so that the ergonomic issues could be better dealt with (but that would require shoulder harnesses and the airlines aren't going to spend any bucks for those), or the airlines could add some additional seat pitch, or, maybe, the parents could by business or first class seats (thereby starting up the kids in first class threads).
Kids have a right to travel as much as adults. Parents need to do their best - short of child abuse - to keep those little legs under control. Other PAX need to recognize when the parent is attempting to correct the situation and not be PITAs because things didn't go their way. In a flying tin can there's no opportunity to remove the child from the situation, unlike in restaurants, while shopping or visiting friends.
Now, could someone do something about the adult jerk behind me on my last flight that thought my seat back was his personal hand rail?
Last edited by jefrank; Mar 19, 2007 at 10:12 am
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Now, don't get me wrong, I've been known to hold my daughter's legs down, but sometimes "stuff" happens and contact is made. Can't exactly send her to the timeout chair (or her room or wherever) while in flight. If the kicking is more than occassional and the parent(s) aren't actually trying to do something about, I can see PAX getting angry, but when the parents are trying to correct the bad behavior being a sarcastic twit at the end of the flight doesn't accomplish anything, but make the parent angry at your insufferable it's-all-about-me attitude, especially after acknowledging that the parent was attempting to correct the situation.
The DOT could certify booster seats for flight use so that the ergonomic issues could be better dealt with (but that would require shoulder harnesses and the airlines aren't going to spend any bucks for those), or the airlines could add some additional seat pitch, or, maybe, the parents could by business or first class seats (thereby starting up the kids in first class threads).
Kids have a right to travel as much as adults.
Parents need to do their best - short of child abuse - to keep those little legs under control. Other PAX need to recognize when the parent is attempting to correct the situation and not be PITAs because things didn't go their way.
In a flying tin can there's no opportunity to remove the child from the situation, unlike in restaurants, while shopping or visiting friends.
Now, could someone do something about the adult jerk behind me on my last flight that thought my seat back was his personal hand rail?
#44
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Some parents just can't win. On a recent flight I was making sure my 8 year old young bloke wasn't kicking the seat in front. However, being 8 and being a longish flight it was ineviable that he would contact the seat in front a few times. I was watching him and admonishing him whenever he accidentally kicked the seat in front. At the end of the flight the guy in front stood up and said to my young fella sarcastically "thanks for kicking my seat all the way". I apologised, despite knowing that he wasn't kicking "all the way" and mentioned to the man that I had been telling him quite often to watch out for the seat in front. He said "Yeah, I heard you"
In that situation I don't know what more I could have done.
In that situation I don't know what more I could have done.
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How did my suggested fixes, become my problem? All of your responses seem to be about making sure we parents understand it's our problem. We get it, we try to handle it, things don't always work out as we want.
Parents, for the most part, do the best they can... the little ones don't come with owner's manuals or off switches. Sometimes the sweetest child becomes demon spawn, for whatever reason(s). Most of the time it's possible to remove them from the situation and other people, sometimes it's not.
Once you opt to buy a ticket and get on the plane you've taken yourself out of control of the environment. If someone can't handle that loss of control then s/he needs to fly a private charter instead of a common carrier.
Apparently the wink was wasted... it was a joke.

