Originally Posted by
PTravel
I didn't suggest anything of the kind. I said that it is not the problem of the passenger seated in front. It is the problem of the parent.
No, but you also don't offer any solutions to the problem so I suggested a couple for you. Apparently you agree they were extreme. Glad to see that.
Originally Posted by
PTravel
Well, that's your view (and, apparently a view that encompasses seeing other people as "sarcastic twits" because they don't like having their seat kicked on a "longish" flight).
It wasn't not liking the kicking that makes me think that the PAX was a sarcastic twit, it was the fact that he decided to make an issue of it after the flight when he admitted hearing the father working to correct the situation. If it was really an issue he should have said something long before.
Originally Posted by
PTravel
having a kid along doesn't vest you with a special right to make strangers unwilling participants in your parenting.
Being part of a society where children are allowed out of the house makes you an unwilling participant. Of course, you can decide to turn your head when you see a larger child bullying a smaller child... it's not your problem, after all, right?
Originally Posted by
PTravel
I've sat in front of many a young person (in fact, almost all of them -- I can remember only 2 instances when this was not true) without having my seat kicked
As I'd expect.
Originally Posted by
PTravel
Then take it up with the DOT. Not my problem. Your problem.
How did my suggested fixes, become my
problem? All of your responses seem to be about making sure we parents understand it's our problem. We get it, we try to handle it, things don't always work out as we want.
Parents, for the most part, do the best they can... the little ones don't come with owner's manuals or off switches. Sometimes the sweetest child becomes demon spawn, for whatever reason(s). Most of the time it's possible to remove them from the situation and other people, sometimes it's not.
Originally Posted by
PTravel
Of course they do. Who suggested otherwise? However, no one has the right to project their problems onto strangers, nor does anyone get to impose as a matter of entitlement. As I said, that's just common courtesy.
I don't get where you think anything I said was about entitlement. Child kicking (bad), parent stops behavior (good), child starts kicking again (still bad), parent stops it again (still good). I never said that the child was entitled to kick or that the parent was entitled to allow it to happen.
Originally Posted by
PTravel
Wrong. Other PAX don't need to do anything other than not make their own problems the problems of strangers, nor impose on other passengers.
Does that also apply to the lady crying the whole trip because she lost her husband or child while she was away on business?
Once you opt to buy a ticket and get on the plane you've taken yourself out of control of the environment. If someone can't handle that loss of control then s/he needs to fly a private charter instead of a common carrier.
Originally Posted by
PTravel
I'm glad you realize that, which is what makes an imposition like seat-kicking so much more unpleasant on a long-haul.
We don't disagree in the broad picture, it's only in the details and the perspective. Your view is that the parents can always stop the inappropriate behavior and keep it stopped, my view is that it's not always possible to completely stop the behavior without resorting to, possibly, illegal means.
Originally Posted by
PTravel
That adult jerk is rude and inconsiderate and imposed on you. Do you think that somehow justifies you in being rude and inconsiderate to other passengers?
Apparently the wink was wasted... it was a joke.