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Originally Posted by nako
This must be a new development in the last few years, or maybe they just got a particularly skeptical interviewer. I don't recall ever getting questions like that, but they were more than happy to take all of the verification of our relationship that we had - plane tickets, photographs, letters, phone bills, and so on and so forth.
This was a few years ago now, maybe it was embellishment on the actual interview
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Originally Posted by da_guy
It's lax attitudes like yours why we have the mess we have with illegal immigration. Sure marry your cousin, bribe an official, sneak accross the Rio Grande..do whatever you can and screw the law right?
Originally Posted by da_guy
The word is out: immigrating legally is for suckers, but illegally immigrating is filled with rewards.
Originally Posted by dark blood
P.s. anyone know about student Visa's. and anothing along them lines ?
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Originally Posted by fbgdavidson
Thanks for the info Mike ^
This was a few years ago now, maybe it was embellishment on the actual interview
This was a few years ago now, maybe it was embellishment on the actual interview
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Originally Posted by Doppy
Coming from the UK, you shouldn't have trouble getting one if you get admitted to a university first, and can prove that you can afford to pay for it. There are restrictions on how much you can work, and such. So if you want to come over and need to get a job, this is not the route for you.
Having a citizenship of United Kingdom does nothing much in attaining a studnent visa of the U.S. It totally depends on your financial situation. You don't need to be necessarily admitted to a university. Many institutions that are registered for SEVIS can get you a student visa. Technically, you need to be enrolled as a full-time student, but I've seen some student visa holders who never go to a school. If you do some searches, you might be able to find tons of institutions that can grant you a student visa without attending. Again, this is another paper work.
FYI, student visa holders aren't permitted to work off campus and they need to get an employment authorization from INS. I think this is one of disadvantages that U.S. student visa holders get while most countries allow student visa holders to work.
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It isn't true that you can't work on a student visa. On a J-1 visa (training visa) you can work for a year, as long as you can document that it is related to your schooling. This isn't hard to do. I've hired people under a J-1.
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A few comments from someone who has emigrated to the US (from Australia).
Greencard lottery (Officially called the diversity lottery) is not available to persons born in the UK unless they were born in Northern Ireland (which incidently allows them to get Irish citizenship as well) - Lottery is based on where you were born not where you are a citizen - each region gets its own allocation and you have to go in the right section of the draw - Official info for the next draw is available at: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2005/42131.htm
Other things to note about the lottery; - if you are eligable and if you get drawn (there are something like 15million applicants for the 50,000 general places each year and just getting an offer doesn't guarantee a place since 1 winner can take up multiple places; if you win it is about 18months to 2 years from when you enter till when you move and they only give you a 6 month window when you have to move.
Do your research about the US - why do you specifically want to come? The US doesn't have a skilled migration program in the same sense as Australia, New Zealand, & Canada - who have published points systems that you can see what you need to do to reach the qualification point... also if you are young enough (under 30?) you can get a working holiday visa to Australia / New Zealand / or Canada and work/live there for a couple of years legally.
Go to your local bookshop in the UK and buy the book "Live & Work in the US and Canada" - I have a copy printed in 1999 by a company called vacation work but I think they update it every few years - it is part of a series (I have seen ones for Eastern Europe & Russia and Australia & New Zealand as well). Covers almost everything you need to know (at least as a starting point) from how to emigrate, to how to get a job (not an easy thing at the moment), standards of living etc in various areas - how to establish a credit history, what to bring with you (in terms of documentation that will help etc).
Finally - moving to the US is not cheap - there are all the initial costs of passport, documentation (police records etc) & medical checks (if you want to emigrate), and getting yourself to the US - then you have the issue of supporting yourself till you find a job, finding somewhere to live (and it isn't easy to get a lease or mortgage with no US credit history - something it will take a couple of years after you get a US credit card to build) so you are looking at share accomodation unless you have family you can live with... if by some great fortune you do get a job and a lease then you have all the initial deposits for utilities / phone / internet etc and don't forget a car (and you won't have enough credit history to get a loan so expect to buy it outright or finance it with your UK credit cards) - unless you live in New York City or San Francisco city you pretty much must get a car (and living in either is really really expensive) This will not be cheap - I used US$20k+ in the initial process and I had family to stay with until I got a job.
Final thought - the second you get to the US legally and get a social security number go to a bank and open a secured credit card account - you will have to deposit $300+ but it will immediately start your credit history - after 6 months you will have a (low) score and be in a position to get rental leases etc more easily - make sure you use the card each month and pay off the balance in full each month to get the best score. - sign up to a credit monitoring service after 6 months (like myfico.com) so you can watch your credit report develop (oh and watch 'The Suze Orman show on CNBC to learn more about how US credit scores work). Also you will need to open both a checking (what we in Australia/UK call Chequing
) and a savings account to get the best credit score.
Oh and don't forget the US has no NHS etc so unless you have a job to come to that offers benefits you will need to buy basic health insurance as well. - And as a new immigrant you have no access to unemployement insurance for the first few years (and then you will only be eligable based on how much you have worked).
Hope this helps.
Andrew
I recommend the Korean Airlines Secured Credit Card from US Bank (see my website for info on it - it is the only secured card I can find that earn FF miles & it is specifically designed for new immigrants so you can get it without a job etc. Korean is a Skyteam member so you can redeem for flights on Northwest / Continental / Delta / Aermexico / Airfrance / KLM / Alitalia / CSA Czech Airlines for flights within & between North America and Europe.
Greencard lottery (Officially called the diversity lottery) is not available to persons born in the UK unless they were born in Northern Ireland (which incidently allows them to get Irish citizenship as well) - Lottery is based on where you were born not where you are a citizen - each region gets its own allocation and you have to go in the right section of the draw - Official info for the next draw is available at: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2005/42131.htm
Other things to note about the lottery; - if you are eligable and if you get drawn (there are something like 15million applicants for the 50,000 general places each year and just getting an offer doesn't guarantee a place since 1 winner can take up multiple places; if you win it is about 18months to 2 years from when you enter till when you move and they only give you a 6 month window when you have to move.
Do your research about the US - why do you specifically want to come? The US doesn't have a skilled migration program in the same sense as Australia, New Zealand, & Canada - who have published points systems that you can see what you need to do to reach the qualification point... also if you are young enough (under 30?) you can get a working holiday visa to Australia / New Zealand / or Canada and work/live there for a couple of years legally.
Go to your local bookshop in the UK and buy the book "Live & Work in the US and Canada" - I have a copy printed in 1999 by a company called vacation work but I think they update it every few years - it is part of a series (I have seen ones for Eastern Europe & Russia and Australia & New Zealand as well). Covers almost everything you need to know (at least as a starting point) from how to emigrate, to how to get a job (not an easy thing at the moment), standards of living etc in various areas - how to establish a credit history, what to bring with you (in terms of documentation that will help etc).
Finally - moving to the US is not cheap - there are all the initial costs of passport, documentation (police records etc) & medical checks (if you want to emigrate), and getting yourself to the US - then you have the issue of supporting yourself till you find a job, finding somewhere to live (and it isn't easy to get a lease or mortgage with no US credit history - something it will take a couple of years after you get a US credit card to build) so you are looking at share accomodation unless you have family you can live with... if by some great fortune you do get a job and a lease then you have all the initial deposits for utilities / phone / internet etc and don't forget a car (and you won't have enough credit history to get a loan so expect to buy it outright or finance it with your UK credit cards) - unless you live in New York City or San Francisco city you pretty much must get a car (and living in either is really really expensive) This will not be cheap - I used US$20k+ in the initial process and I had family to stay with until I got a job.
Final thought - the second you get to the US legally and get a social security number go to a bank and open a secured credit card account - you will have to deposit $300+ but it will immediately start your credit history - after 6 months you will have a (low) score and be in a position to get rental leases etc more easily - make sure you use the card each month and pay off the balance in full each month to get the best score. - sign up to a credit monitoring service after 6 months (like myfico.com) so you can watch your credit report develop (oh and watch 'The Suze Orman show on CNBC to learn more about how US credit scores work). Also you will need to open both a checking (what we in Australia/UK call Chequing
) and a savings account to get the best credit score.Oh and don't forget the US has no NHS etc so unless you have a job to come to that offers benefits you will need to buy basic health insurance as well. - And as a new immigrant you have no access to unemployement insurance for the first few years (and then you will only be eligable based on how much you have worked).
Hope this helps.
Andrew
I recommend the Korean Airlines Secured Credit Card from US Bank (see my website for info on it - it is the only secured card I can find that earn FF miles & it is specifically designed for new immigrants so you can get it without a job etc. Korean is a Skyteam member so you can redeem for flights on Northwest / Continental / Delta / Aermexico / Airfrance / KLM / Alitalia / CSA Czech Airlines for flights within & between North America and Europe.
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Originally Posted by RBCal
It isn't true that you can't work on a student visa. On a J-1 visa (training visa) you can work for a year, as long as you can document that it is related to your schooling. This isn't hard to do. I've hired people under a J-1.
J-1 is not a student visa. F-1 is the one. F-1 and F-2 (dependent of F-1) are not eligible for working in the U.S. FYI, J-1 and J-2 (dependent of J-1) certainly get more previleges than F-1 and F-2 based on my judge. Again, F visa holders aren't permitted to work.
Last edited by N227UA; Jun 25, 2005 at 8:16 am
#53
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Originally Posted by ANDREWCX
I recommend the Korean Airlines Secured Credit Card from US Bank (see my website for info on it - it is the only secured card I can find that earn FF miles & it is specifically designed for new immigrants so you can get it without a job etc. Korean is a Skyteam member so you can redeem for flights on Northwest / Continental / Delta / Aermexico / Airfrance / KLM / Alitalia / CSA Czech Airlines for flights within & between North America and Europe.
I just checked your website, and I confirmed that Korean Air is only offering a secured card. Anyhow, I was wondering what is a secured card. What are some distinctions and characteristics that differentiate it from others such as credit or check/debit?
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Originally Posted by N227UA
I just checked your website, and I confirmed that Korean Air is only offering a secured card. Anyhow, I was wondering what is a secured card. What are some distinctions and characteristics that differentiate it from others such as credit or check/debit?
A regular (unsecured) credit card gives you a line of credit based on the banks assessment of your credit history. Your activity is reported to the credit agencies and builds your credit history.
A check/debit card allows you to use the visa/mastercard system to make payments from your checking account. These cards are not reported on your credit history so they do nothing to help build your credit report.
Many banks offer secured credit cards but the Korean Air one is the only airline one I know of and also one of the cheapest & easiest to get. Of course as a US Bank card it is more convenient if you live in a state (mainly the midwest) that they have branches in however as a credit card you can pay the monthly bill by check from anywhere (or open a check account as well and get direct deposit into the account).
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