WHY should anyone have 2 passports?
Feb 12, 2003, 3:33 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by terenz:
I think Mexico is working on a law (if not enacted already) to allow its citizens to hold dual citizenship so the masses of Mexican immigrants in the U.S. can vote.</font>
I think Mexico is working on a law (if not enacted already) to allow its citizens to hold dual citizenship so the masses of Mexican immigrants in the U.S. can vote.</font>
(from the Sacramento counsel's website)
http://www.quiknet.com/mexico/nationality_eng.htm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Implications on Voting Rights
Unlike other countries, Mexican legislation establishes a distinction between nationality and citizenship. Nationality refers to how people feel they belong to their country. Nationality is based on one's place of birth and the origins on one's parents. Citizenship implies nationality, as well as, the exercising of political rights which are acquired upon reaching legal age and residence among other requisites. The constitutional reform only modifies provisions related to nationality.
This amendment is not related in any way with the right to vote. So far, no Mexican living abroad is able to vote in any election held in Mexican territory.
Voting is related with citizenship. Thus, the possibility of eventually voting abroad is being separately analyzed and, in any case, would be regulated by The Federal Code of Electoral Institutions and Procedures. Thus, the nationality constitutional amendment and law do not affect voting matters.</font>
Unlike other countries, Mexican legislation establishes a distinction between nationality and citizenship. Nationality refers to how people feel they belong to their country. Nationality is based on one's place of birth and the origins on one's parents. Citizenship implies nationality, as well as, the exercising of political rights which are acquired upon reaching legal age and residence among other requisites. The constitutional reform only modifies provisions related to nationality.
This amendment is not related in any way with the right to vote. So far, no Mexican living abroad is able to vote in any election held in Mexican territory.
Voting is related with citizenship. Thus, the possibility of eventually voting abroad is being separately analyzed and, in any case, would be regulated by The Federal Code of Electoral Institutions and Procedures. Thus, the nationality constitutional amendment and law do not affect voting matters.</font>
La Cochinita has been a naturalized US citizen for the last ten years and we've talked about the possibility of her applying to regain her nationality rights for Mexico. Might come in handy for buying real estate in Mexico someday.
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Feb 12, 2003, 4:04 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by freshair:
I believe (if I read correctly) it is also possible in some circumstances to obtain Irish Citizenship if a great-grandparent was born there. You might want to check it out anyway if you think you qualify. I completed the process of researching/obtaining needed documentation last fall, and recently received by IBA (Irish Born Abroad) papers. So now I can get the passport. I will be glad to have it in Europe and if travelling to places that are not "Ameri-friendly".</font>
I believe (if I read correctly) it is also possible in some circumstances to obtain Irish Citizenship if a great-grandparent was born there. You might want to check it out anyway if you think you qualify. I completed the process of researching/obtaining needed documentation last fall, and recently received by IBA (Irish Born Abroad) papers. So now I can get the passport. I will be glad to have it in Europe and if travelling to places that are not "Ameri-friendly".</font>
if you have a grandparent BORN in ireland (not just citizen), you can claim citizenship.
the great-grandparent "thing" is only valid if your grandparent was born to an native-born irish citizen, AND registered as an irish citizen born abroad.
it should also be noted that those who have grandparents born in ireland CANNOT pass it down to already-born children. the registration of your birth abroad does not work retroactively to the date of your birth (it used to until a law was passed in 1985) and therefore cannot be passed.
Feb 12, 2003, 11:42 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by schreibsman:
the great-grandparent "thing" is only valid if your grandparent was born to an native-born irish citizen, AND registered as an irish citizen born abroad.
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the great-grandparent "thing" is only valid if your grandparent was born to an native-born irish citizen, AND registered as an irish citizen born abroad.
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Feb 13, 2003, 2:42 am
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goodo: Australia until recently (i think it was last year), did not allow dual citizenship. It you became a citizen of another country you lost your Aussie citizenship.
my older daughter's (Maria) boyfriend and partner (Mark Nolan) , father Australian, mother Swiss, has legally since his birth 24 years ago) in Australia two Nationalities and passports (Australian and Swiss).
my older daughter's (Maria) boyfriend and partner (Mark Nolan) , father Australian, mother Swiss, has legally since his birth 24 years ago) in Australia two Nationalities and passports (Australian and Swiss).
Feb 13, 2003, 9:35 am
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For clarification:
I am an American born citizen who received Israeli ciizenship under "The Law of Return". I hold 2 passports, and both countries only allow you to enter and leave the country under their own passport. (I also get to stand on the shorter line at both places)
I am also a veteran of the Israeli Air Force. As serving in the military is a requirement of Israeli citizenship, I was allowed to retain my US citizenship under those circumstances as well. The vast majority of english speaking countries seem to have the same arrangement.
I can vote in both countries, although Israel does not have an absentee ballot.
I also pay social security in both countries.
I am an American born citizen who received Israeli ciizenship under "The Law of Return". I hold 2 passports, and both countries only allow you to enter and leave the country under their own passport. (I also get to stand on the shorter line at both places)
I am also a veteran of the Israeli Air Force. As serving in the military is a requirement of Israeli citizenship, I was allowed to retain my US citizenship under those circumstances as well. The vast majority of english speaking countries seem to have the same arrangement.
I can vote in both countries, although Israel does not have an absentee ballot.
I also pay social security in both countries.
Feb 13, 2003, 10:05 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rudi:
has legally since his birth 24 years ago) in Australia two Nationalities and passports (Australian and Swiss).</font>
has legally since his birth 24 years ago) in Australia two Nationalities and passports (Australian and Swiss).</font>
Feb 13, 2003, 10:09 am
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Nice to know that the initial question why anyone should have more than one passport has morphed into a thread to help people acquire multiple nationalities, citizenships and passports. 
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Feb 13, 2003, 11:13 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by terenz:
Word of warning for anyone wishing to claim Swiss citizenship based on descent. Apparently there is a cutoff over which you are no longer eligible (I think it's 30).</font>
Word of warning for anyone wishing to claim Swiss citizenship based on descent. Apparently there is a cutoff over which you are no longer eligible (I think it's 30).</font>
Canada has a somewhat similar law for very rare circumstances (that I happen to fall under, and am in the process of doing right now)--
anyone born abroad as a second-generation to a canadian citizen (i.e., my grandfather was born canadian, my mother was born in the states, as was I) is a canadian citizen, but must apply to retain the citizenship before the age of 28. that is, you can be canadian all your life, and if you don't get your certificate of retention, you lose it.
not cheap either! I'm going to fork over $175 CDN for the whole process, but my tuition savings will be worth it.
Feb 13, 2003, 11:28 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by schreibsman:
Canada has a somewhat similar law for very rare circumstances (that I happen to fall under, and am in the process of doing right now)--
anyone born abroad as a second-generation to a canadian citizen (i.e., my grandfather was born canadian, my mother was born in the states, as was I) is a canadian citizen, but must apply to retain the citizenship before the age of 28. that is, you can be canadian all your life, and if you don't get your certificate of retention, you lose it.
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Canada has a somewhat similar law for very rare circumstances (that I happen to fall under, and am in the process of doing right now)--
anyone born abroad as a second-generation to a canadian citizen (i.e., my grandfather was born canadian, my mother was born in the states, as was I) is a canadian citizen, but must apply to retain the citizenship before the age of 28. that is, you can be canadian all your life, and if you don't get your certificate of retention, you lose it.
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Links for all other information regarding Canadian citizenship:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pub/index-2.html
Feb 13, 2003, 12:01 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by El Cochinito:
This amendment is not related in any way with the right to vote. So far, no Mexican living abroad is able to vote in any election held in Mexican territory. </font>
This amendment is not related in any way with the right to vote. So far, no Mexican living abroad is able to vote in any election held in Mexican territory. </font>
Feb 14, 2003, 1:37 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by terenz:
Nice to know that the initial question why anyone should have more than one passport has morphed into a thread to help people acquire multiple nationalities, citizenships and passports.</font>
Nice to know that the initial question why anyone should have more than one passport has morphed into a thread to help people acquire multiple nationalities, citizenships and passports.</font>
To cite another example of dual citizenship, what about a person that has come to the US, become a naturalized US citizen, but comes from a country where it is not possible under law to renounce one's citizenship? That person will always be a dual national, unless they renounce US citizenship or their original country changes their laws. Should this be held against them?
Feb 14, 2003, 7:33 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Steve M:
Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your tone, but it sounds as if you think this is a bad thing.
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Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your tone, but it sounds as if you think this is a bad thing.
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I would have added to my first remark that you read. I otherwise I would have aded 
. It's the OP who is making it sound like a bad thing. No, I am all for multiple nationalities and passports. [This message has been edited by terenz (edited 02-14-2003).]
Feb 14, 2003, 9:26 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by terenz:
I meant the dual nationality law would allow Mexicans living in the U.S. to become U.S. citizens and be enfranchised in the U.S.</font>
I meant the dual nationality law would allow Mexicans living in the U.S. to become U.S. citizens and be enfranchised in the U.S.</font>
And of course only Mexican nationals that are US citizens are legally allowed to vote in US elections.
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