I hate business travelers.
#151
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I have traveled through Changi although didn't have a checked bag to deal with so didn't get the chance to marvel at the efficiency of their luggage system. If the whole world was like Singapore, however, we might not have such luggage issues. I was not using Aeroflot as an example of luggage issues, only as an airline that was run "for the greater good". I'm sure you'll admit that Aeroflot is much better today than it was back then.
#152
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Again, this isn't really the point here. People here have said that passengers should wait 30+ minutes for bags and not take rollaboards just to be courteous to other passengers who want to put their personal items in the overhead to have more legroom. Sorry, not going to happen.
#153
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I'm certainly not asking that as I will likely be boarding beside you due to status or fare paid anyway, so plenty of room for my bag too. Despite all that time you gained, I was probably in the same bus/train/taxi/hire car queue as you after I waited 10 minutes on my bag, and if I really wanted extra time at the pool I would have got an earlier flight or gone the day before. Win-win you see, unlike the me-me attitude of some.
#154
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Seth
#155
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#1 (biz): Get on the rental car shuttle at the terminal. The shuttle is only like 2/3 full, plenty of seats open. But these three business guys who boarded after me (they're not together; each traveling solo) stand next to the door with their rollerboards, partially blocking the entrance, and won't sit down. There're two more guys up front standing by the front door. We arrive at the rental car center and those guys jump off the moment the door opens.
#156
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Again, this isn't really the point here. People here have said that passengers should wait 30+ minutes for bags and not take rollaboards just to be courteous to other passengers who want to put their personal items in the overhead to have more legroom. Sorry, not going to happen.
Seth
#157
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I agree for this and at least one other time-saving reason: On two separate trips (MUC-PHL-NYC and GUA-MIA-NYC) I saved about three hours each time by not checking a bag. In each case my connecting route had an earlier flight that was delayed enough that I could just make it and not wait for my scheduled connection. That wouldn't have happened if I'd had to reclaim and recheck.
Seth
Seth
#158
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Like its a big plane, there will be space for your 4 bags. So it cant be about overhead space, only about compensating for something else (or lack thereof)
#159
Join Date: Oct 2015
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Are Lufthansa, Austrian, Turkish, United, and Swiss considered full service by your standards? Most of my flying is on those. I fly Easyjet and Ryanair intra-Europe quite often as well. On Star Alliance I get priority baggage so mine are often in the first 30 as well. The issue is - how long do you have to wait at the carousel before the first bags come out? I waited 90 minutes last month for my Air Canada bags at MCO and about 45 minutes for my bags at EWR on United. Waited about 30 minutes in Montreal last month for my bags from Lufthansa (all on vacation where I had to check bags because it was a 2 1/2 week trip to several climates with kids).
Again, this isn't really the point here. People here have said that passengers should wait 30+ minutes for bags and not take rollaboards just to be courteous to other passengers who want to put their personal items in the overhead to have more legroom. Sorry, not going to happen.
Again, this isn't really the point here. People here have said that passengers should wait 30+ minutes for bags and not take rollaboards just to be courteous to other passengers who want to put their personal items in the overhead to have more legroom. Sorry, not going to happen.
#160
Join Date: Oct 2008
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I hate traveling for business, and I also hate business travel.
I would love nothing more than to never, ever travel for business again. I would travel only for leisure with my family and to destinations that I actually want to go to.
For the most part, business travel sucks. Ask any business traveler (someone who has a family, not some single person who has no life at home and flying is their only source of stimulation), and the majority will agree that they would rather be home with their family.
If I were a single person with no life at home (or I hated my family), sure, I would be into the business travel. But as a person with a family, business travel sucks hard.
For the most part, business travel sucks. Ask any business traveler (someone who has a family, not some single person who has no life at home and flying is their only source of stimulation), and the majority will agree that they would rather be home with their family.
If I were a single person with no life at home (or I hated my family), sure, I would be into the business travel. But as a person with a family, business travel sucks hard.
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#161
Join Date: Feb 2013
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Did those guys get in the line with everyone else? Many of the hard core business travelers I know are members of the elite programs of the rental car companies where their names are posted on a board with the space number and they can go straight to the cars and drive off.
I understand this and have a tendency do the same except for blocking the entrance. Each person in line in front of me at a car-rental station has the potential to mean a 10-minute delay. These travelers may have been able to bypass the check-in desk, but there is always a risk that they're one car short.
#162
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At just about any UK or US airport and TLV, due to various fast track passport control plans, I'm usually in the taxi with my rollaboard before most people from my flight are even through passport control, let alone at the baggage claim, so not likely. Your idea of win-win is one where I lose time for you to win space.
I always feel sorry for those I see rushing like little worker ants as I stroll along. But someone has to do it I suppose. Otherwise who would there be to serve my needs?
#163
Join Date: Jul 2008
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Ah, time is money, time is money. For those at least who do not have any time, as they do not have enough money. When you have enough money however that time is not an issue for you, getting through Passport control, baggage claim and into a taxi 10 minutes quicker, really doesn't matter.
I always feel sorry for those I see rushing like little worker ants as I stroll along. But someone has to do it I suppose. Otherwise who would there be to serve my needs?
I always feel sorry for those I see rushing like little worker ants as I stroll along. But someone has to do it I suppose. Otherwise who would there be to serve my needs?
#164
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I'm certainly not asking that as I will likely be boarding beside you due to status or fare paid anyway, so plenty of room for my bag too. Despite all that time you gained, I was probably in the same bus/train/taxi/hire car queue as you after I waited 10 minutes on my bag, and if I really wanted extra time at the pool I would have got an earlier flight or gone the day before. Win-win you see, unlike the me-me attitude of some.
Ask me about the time I was trusting enough to check my bag from ORD-LHR, the flight was cancelled at midnight and I had to wait till 2:30 AM for my bag to show up before I could find a hotel for the (short) night before finally flying out the next evening.
#165
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Exactly. You would think they don't need to do that. But for whatever reason they do. If you are in zone 1 or 2, is there really a need to jockey for position half an hour before the flight boards.
Like its a big plane, there will be space for your 4 bags. So it cant be about overhead space, only about compensating for something else (or lack thereof)
Like its a big plane, there will be space for your 4 bags. So it cant be about overhead space, only about compensating for something else (or lack thereof)
I think you just have some resentment towards business travelers.
Let me tell you why I always wait in the line in group 1, even there there is very little benefit to doing so. The reason is: before a flight I don't really like to sit around. I do enough sitting on airplanes, and I'm not young enough notice that sitting for a long time can make my back hurt, etc. So, I rarely sit down at the airport. I am happier standing.
But, I'm not bothering anyone. Just as the leisure travelers in group 4 aren't bothering me. Why is it necessary for anyone to be so bothered? It's a flight, and there are a lot of different types of people doing their own thing. So long as nobody is ruining my flight,, I don't care that much. If you want to see air travel as some kind of us vs. them, then go for. I am just a guy standing in line for 10 minutes because I don't feel like sitting before a 9 hour flight DEN to FRA and that seems as good a place as any. Sometime I like to be first in line - you know why? Cause I like chatting with the gate agents.
This whole thread trying to figure out who is 'worse' so we can hate them is kind of sad.