Adam1222

Not sure if you're trying to be cute or play semantics. Obviously there are situations where it is the airlines fault you miss a flight, and you can get rebooked. But I am not aware of any contract of Carriage or legal requirement that airlines assume the risk if you have problems with security or immigration.

The OP seems to have a lot of friends and family who don't allow enough time to get through security and immigration and have benefited from the grace of airlines. The OP believes that other people's experiences in other factual circumstances, flying other airlines, somehow create an entitlement to reimbursement. That is not how it works..

As for Norwegians relative pricing, Norwegian has frequently had sales from the US to Northern Europe for around $500 round trip,which is far less than other airlines. I just searched random dates JFK-HEL, and Norwegian remains $200 less than full service carriers.

GUWonder

Most DY customers are EU-originating customers; and the US3/EU3 airline prices for travel from Scandinavia/NPU to US have been below $500 roundtrip very frequently this year. I have people commuting on these routes, and it's anything but rare for DY to be more expensive than flying one of the big 3 alliances' carriers from DK/FI/NO/SE to the US.

Item 2 above is not necessarily true. There are special bilateral agreements in place related to Finnish citizens with US citizenship.

GUWonder

Just a heads up. If you're an NPU country's citizen and relocating to the U.S., my suggestion -- dual-citizen or not -- is to consider when you want to get your banking house in order and withdraw your European liquid assets prior to deregistering as a resident citizen of an NPU country. I've been seeing a jump in assistance requests related to Scandinavian/Nordic bank account freezes hitting dual-citizens (of the U.S. and NPU countries) and non-dual-citizens who become U.S. persons with Scandinavian/Finnish citizenship.

SimonB77

Not if it's law. In fact what I've seen it's quite the opposite. Like the example right here in this thread.

Almost across the board when you are a citizen of that country, you are required by law to enter and exit with said passport. In this case the OP should have showed his US passport at the Ticket counter to resolve any issues with the airline. Then when going through emigration, showed his Finnish passport. Which I know he didn't have with him at the time but this would have resolved the problem before it even started.

If you have data points to the contrary please share. As dual citizenship is not uncommon and traveling with different passports is almost always a non-issue.

I'm not trying to pick on you and I am sorry that your trip ended the way it did. However, you misunderstood. Traveling with two passports is required for dual citizens of many countries. In fact this topic is discussed quite a bit here on FT. And like I mentioned above, would have saved you a lot of trouble on your trip.

ou81two

Not much to say other than you don't ever "add" anything to your answers to a border guard. How long have you been in the EU should be answered with just that. Concise and to the point.

Trip insurance is pretty much useless. If you insist on buying it, you should at the very least read about what it covers and when. I had friends who bought it, had serious flight issues and called. That they didn't first go to the airport before calling meant that for whatever reason, they were denied coverage.

SeriouslyLost

Italy is amazingly slack on documentation. The stories I've heard from immigration officials at meetings about how much they dislike working with Italy. It includes things like forgetting to even show up to Schengen group meetings.

SeriouslyLost

More to the point, if a person enters the Schengen region on one passport then he is *supposed* to leave it on the same one, even if leaving via another country. Ideally, the person hands over both passports and tells the IO they entered the region in Italy (or wherever) and on the US passport. But that only happens for people that know the rules and follow them.

uniquesituation

This is what I was informed of when I became a US Citizen and when taking the Oath of Allegiance.

Thank you. No assets at all in Europe.

Now you are putting words in my mouth.

In the last three decades, I've had family come multiple times per year to visit and it often happens around the winter holidays - naturally there are longer customs lines at airports. In the few times that someone has missed a connecting flight, they've been rebooked. It's not the same situation, but it is the closest experience that I am personally aware of.

Have I ever once said that I am entitled to anything? No. I am simply asking if there is any ground for me to stand on.

ALittleSurreal

Although my husband was born in another country, he has been a U.S. citizen for 35 years. He simply carries both passports with him when traveling to and from the country he was born in. We have found that we can even save time at customs, coming and going from that country,, by going into the line for people holding passports from that country (Even though I"m an American, I have been told to go to that line with him in that country). Those lines are always the shortest.
Sometimes it is just quicker and easier not to 'stand your ground" about you being a U.S. citizen now. Just carry both passports and don't make it such a big deal.

GUWonder

That indeed makes it more smooth for most people in practical terms, even as the legal situation may be more generous/favorable to the dual-citizen than to the government when it comes to more deliberate rulings/determinations. On the matter of whether it may, that depends on the Schengen country of relevance when it comes to citizens, dual or otherwise, of Schengen countries.

To interdict traffic of some sorts leaving Schengen countries too, governments have looked at how to get legally creative to restrict some flows. I'll just say that the analysis has been very interesting.

Adam1222

I guess I don't understand the difference between being entitled to something and having a "ground to stand on" in insisting someone should have treated you differently.

wendyg

It's the *only* way to travel in some cases. Let's say you're a dual citizen, US and UK. You are *legally required* to enter the US on your US passport. Therefore, you must also leave the US on your US passport. However, your US passport has no visa in it for the UK. So you must enter the UK on your British passport.

What trouble is this supposed to cause?

wg

nanyang

I'm not quite sure what rights a US citizen would have in relation to Finnish immigration?

For example, I do not have an automatic right to enter the US as a citizen of another country.

uniquesituation

"Am I entitled to have my expenses covered?" vs "I am entitled to have my expenses covered"

Airlines don't always make things clear. For instance: I was caught for 3 days in the 2010 snowstorm at Heathrow. My luggage was lost for 10 days, meaning I had to purchase clothes. I made many calls, but no one from BA could give me a clear answer as to what they would cover - so I held off on buying suits for meetings. After getting back home, and after months of attempts to get through to someone at BA - they finally let me know that it was an EU regulation that they had to cover everything and wrote me a check for alternate airfare, clothing, meals, etc. Had I known this I could have had a more comfortable stay without my luggage.

udontknowme

Uniquesituation,

First, I think we've forgotten to congratulate you on your marriage and your otherwise fantastic honeymoon.



Do you or the Embassy have any documentation of this admission? That may go a long way toward helping you make a claim.

I was not aware that surrender of Finnish citizenship could be successfully accomplished through the Maistratti (local register offices, for those following along). To my knowledge and experience the proper form had to be filed with the Maahanmuuttovirasto via an in-person visit to the police if in Finland, or via the Finnish embassy if abroad. At that time, you also had to present identity documents, preferably the passport of your new country as you may not drop your Finnish citizenship if that makes you stateless. This could have changed, but I am not aware of it.

The stamped certification of US citizenship by the Maistratti doesn't solve your primary problem, that is you appear in the computer as a Finnish citizen.

Again, sorry about your difficulties. Navigating most any country's bureaucracy is usually a nightmare.