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elitetraveler Mar 11, 2012 10:42 pm

Where does it say anything about one item having to go under the seat in F?
 
http://www.delta.com/traveling_check...ryon/index.jsp

You may carry on one bag and one personal item at no charge. Please note that all items must easily fit into the overhead bin or under the seat in front of you.
Approved Personal Carry-on Items
1 purse, briefcase, camera bag, or diaper bag;
or 1 laptop computer (computers cannot be checked and must be carried on);
or 1 item of a similar or smaller size to those listed above.

dcline414 Mar 11, 2012 11:12 pm


Originally Posted by elitetraveler (Post 18181983)
http://www.delta.com/traveling_check...ryon/index.jsp

You may carry on one bag and one personal item at no charge. Please note that all items must easily fit into the overhead bin or under the seat in front of you.
Approved Personal Carry-on Items
1 purse, briefcase, camera bag, or diaper bag;
or 1 laptop computer (computers cannot be checked and must be carried on);
or 1 item of a similar or smaller size to those listed above.

So if you have a 22" rollaboard and a diaper bag the same size as a rollaboard then you're good to go?

If so, I've got to start shopping for a nice new wheeled "diaper bag"... Maybe one with a garment bag built in! ;)

c_d Mar 12, 2012 1:01 am


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 18181337)
C'mon folks.

There are many people who, for ergonomic reasons (or for any variety of reasons) prefer to use a wheeled laptop bag/briefcase/whatever.

And, for crying out loud, how many of you folks who carry a "computer bag" limit is contents to the computer and ancillary computer-related items?

The volume of paperwork that my job often requires me to carry often occupies 2x to 3x the volume that my computer occupies in my computer bag.

The assertion that, just because it has wheels, it is not a "personal item" is BS.

I have seen wheeled laptop bags that are smaller than the laptop bag that I carry on my increasing stooped shoulder.

Amen! Honestly, what is it with most of you guys? Haven't you been on an AVOD DL plane lately? Even in EC, it is getting pretty hard to get anything under the seat due to that stupid AVOD box. Not even two feet with shoe size 12+ ... I sat next to a basketball player once and he had exactly that problem. In BE having anything (even a very small item) there often blocks the foot rest so that is a no-go, too! I don't even bother to start with the lay-flat seats, simply impossible.

Instead of discussing the cold reduction of under-seat storage due to AVOD and the lack of overhead extensions during cabin updates, you are discussing the symptoms! Cure the disease!

Deemus7 Mar 12, 2012 7:32 am

I have one of these horrendous rolling computer bags and have never had a problem using it as a personal item. I have to carry a large Dell projector with me when I travel, which obviously can't be checked. When I travel for only a few days, I will have a small 20" roll aboard with my clothes and this rolling computer bag. One of the things that I enjoy about early boarding (whether FC or not) is that I can get first dibs on the o/h and if I am in a bulkhead or in the same spot as the OP with AVOD blocking underseat storage, I can get both bags in the bin.

Until Delta baggage handlers can get priority bags out first and even come close to the speed of WN (I've waited an hour for bags to start coming out in MCO before and once watched a non-status couple get all four of their checked bags in FLL before either one of mine came out), I will continue bringing both of these bags on board.

OP, I'm with you...the comment was definitely out of line, especially in FC with fewer seats using the same number of bins. If she had inquired politely about putting it under the seat, that's one thing, but I certainly wouldn't appreciate the condescension.

Flame away...:)

james318 Mar 12, 2012 7:32 am


Originally Posted by c_d (Post 18182345)
Amen! Honestly, what is it with most of you guys?

First rule of the Delta forum. Attack the OP.

Madefornow Mar 12, 2012 8:23 am


Originally Posted by elitetraveler (Post 18181983)
http://www.delta.com/traveling_check...ryon/index.jsp

You may carry on one bag and one personal item at no charge. Please note that all items must easily fit into the overhead bin or under the seat in front of you.
Approved Personal Carry-on Items
1 purse, briefcase, camera bag, or diaper bag;
or 1 laptop computer (computers cannot be checked and must be carried on);
or 1 item of a similar or smaller size to those listed above.

Thanks!!!!!!

at least the OP wasnt trying to put a coat/hat/fancy hand bag/bubble jacket in the overhead bin. :rolleyes:

spidaman Mar 12, 2012 8:24 am


Originally Posted by c_d (Post 18182345)
Amen! Honestly, what is it with most of you guys? Haven't you been on an AVOD DL plane lately? Even in EC, it is getting pretty hard to get anything under the seat due to that stupid AVOD box. Not even two feet with shoe size 12+

This.

I was quite pleased with my EC seats--except for the AVOD box. I am 6'2" and size 13 shoes, and even in EC, I had trouble dealing with the AVOD box. While AVOD is a nice amenity, the box does cause trouble for tall people with big feet--or travelers with bags that can fit under seats w/o AVOD units, but not with the units.

I suspect the OP (and others) will eventually take this into account--and pack lighter/smaller. However, G-d willing, I will not get too much shorter, nor will my feet shrink. ;)

Orange County Commuter Mar 12, 2012 9:59 am


Originally Posted by trvlr64 (Post 18180330)
Was the comment made to me by the F/A in FC yesterday.

I was the first passenger to board the plane in FLL. The 757 was one with AVOD. Knowing full well that my wheeled computer bag wasn't going to fit under the seat in front of me because of the video equipment under the seat, so I placed in the overhead like I have been doing since flying DL and then I placed my 20" rolling carryon in the overhead as well.

At this point "J" said to me that I needed to put my computer bag under the seat. I looked at her and said I can't because it won't fit with the video equipment and she delivered that incredible line..........


I know exactly on which planes in the DL fleet that my computer bag will fit under the seat in front of me. Unfortunately on the AVOD 757's it doesn't. I make every effort to put my computer bag under the seat because it's not uncommon for me it access it at sometime during the flight.


Guess I better start using my cowbell Diamond Mediallion luggage tags from now on so I won't get such an asinine comment in the future.

What's more incredible is that you felt justified coming on here and saying "Look folks I was rude and took more then my share of overhead and now have the gaul to whine about someone calling me on it" After all you are "much more entitled" to overhead space then your fellow passengers right? I am not sure which was more "asinine" but IMHO it's a tie. Both of your were rude, but in your world it's OK for you to be rude because "I AM A DIAMOND" LOL!

LOL!


Originally Posted by pdisme (Post 18180510)
So being a DM overrides the one carry-on and one personal item rule?

Apparently! When I get on the plane I am always AMAZED that NO ONE in first class has a personal item. A few flights ago as I put my laptop bag under the seat in front of me the "Diamond" next to me loudly said "YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT THERE, IT SHOULD GO OVERHEAD" Uh.. no, my other bag went overhead!

So when you board late and can't find space in the overhead.. See your fellow Diamonds. They used it all (And trust me a lot of what I see being put in the overhead is smaller then my personal item so it would have fit under the seat..)

dcline414 Mar 12, 2012 10:08 am


Originally Posted by OrangeCountyCommuter (Post 18184371)
What's more incredible is that you felt justified coming on here and saying "Look folks I was rude and took more then my share of overhead and now have the gaul to whine about someone calling me on it" After all you are "much more entitled to overhead space then your fellow passengers right?

LOL!



Apparently! When I get on the plane I am always AMAZED that NO ONE in first class has a personal item. A few flights ago as I put my laptop bag under the seat in front of me the "Diamond" next to me loudly said "YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT THERE, IT SHOULD GO OVERHEAD" Uh.. no, my other bag went overhead!

So when you board late and can't find space in the overhead.. See your fellow Diamonds. They used it all (And trust me a lot of what I see being put in the overhead is smaller then my personal item so it would have fit under the seat..)

I know this is common courtesy (and common sense), but sometimes "common" isn't as common as you'd think! I agree this is a good rule of thumb, but it isn't stated that way anywhere. If that's the way it needs to be, Delta should make it their stated policy.

99% of the time I am in the bulkhead or exit row in coach. In the bulkhead, my laptop bag goes in the overhead (which is VERY inconvenient if there is turbulence and the fasten seatbelt sign stays lit at 10k ft!) and in the exit row my laptop bag goes under the seat in front of me.

HOWEVER, on the unlucky days when I cannot get an exit row or bulkhead seat, I have no choice but to put my laptop in the overhead. I hate doing this (both for the sake of others, as well as for my own convenience), but I am 6'5" and wear size 14 shoes. If I'm not in an exit row, there is simply no space to put my bag under the seat, even though that's where I want it!

T.J. Bender Mar 12, 2012 10:21 am


Originally Posted by edweird (Post 18180614)
I've heard them ask folks to place one of their bags under the seat in front of them as a courtesy to other passengers, but I've not seen where this is a rule.

Au contraire, I've seen FAs on 752s, particularly 75Ns, where the crossbar requires more bags than usual to be turned sideways, and MD-88s/90s for obvious reasons, tell pax that their personal item must be underneath the sit in front of them, and if it doesn't fit there, they will have to check their rollaboard to put the personal item up top.


Originally Posted by trvlr64 (Post 18180788)
And to all of those that say you put your wheeled computer bags under the seat you're FOS.

For the record, I have a 15" tall by 9" thick rolling computer bag that I take along when I need to bring extra media to meetings. I have successfully placed it under the seat in front of me on 752s (including a 75X), 738s, 320s, MD-90s and a CRJ-200. Where there's a will, there's a way.


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 18180817)
Those who seem to be bent on discrediting the OP are missing (ignoring?) the point that his bag will fit under seats when that space is not taken up by the AVOD electronics.

Should those folks in bulkhead seats be similarly admonished to "pack lighter?"

If the OP knows that his bag won't fit under the seat of a 75X and he knows that there's a high likelihood of him being on one, I would suggest he either pack a different bag or gate-check his rollaboard after asking at the gate what configuration the 757 is.


Originally Posted by trvlr64 (Post 18181077)
NOT ONCE did she ask another passenger to do this. In fact the gentleman sitting next to me in 3C placed his larger carryon and a totebag as large as a duffel bag in the overhead but she didn't tell him to gate check or put it under the seat.

Clearly, she knew who he was.

iamhereandthere Mar 12, 2012 10:23 am


Originally Posted by elitetraveler (Post 18180670)
Inappropriate comment from the FA regardless of status.

^ It doesn't matter how wrong the customer might be, subjective commentary is never appropriate.

I'm sitting on a 757 right now. If you are in the B or C seats and you don't have a MacBook Air (sans bag) then your second item is going in the overhead bin. So for those that think the OP should have a smaller bag, do you expect travelers to vary their hand luggage based on the seat and aircraft per segment? That's what it comes down to really. To have a bag that fits under any and every seat in the fleet means having no bag, and that just won't fly. :D

sbjnyc Mar 12, 2012 10:27 am


Originally Posted by dcline414 (Post 18184448)
99% of the time I am in the bulkhead or exit row in coach. In the bulkhead, my laptop bag goes in the overhead (which is VERY inconvenient if there is turbulence and the fasten seatbelt sign stays lit at 10k ft!) and in the exit row my laptop bag goes under the seat in front of me.

If your laptop is small enough, you can take it out and put it in the seatback in front of you while boarding. They are becoming more common now, can run most business software, and tend to have good battery life.

oldtirednbusy Mar 12, 2012 10:28 am

My wife has the small Hartmann rolling bag that can slide on top of the 20" and has never had a problem putting the small one under the seat. It serves a two fold purpose for her, she has the items she needs close at hand and since she is short and her feet usually don't hit the floor it is a nice foot rest.

I have always felt, unless I am in bulkhead of course, that my personal item should go under the seat, being full aware that a lot do not feel that way. To me it is a sign of the times, no consideration for other as well as DKYWIA. On a flight back from TLV a guy got on the plane with 2 carry ons as well as a very large package which he said contained crystal and demanded that be put in a closet. I was upset the FA didn't make him check it. When we buy items we do not want to check because of fragility we have them shipped. For my wife's trip to TLV she shipped a piece of art back which arrived in perfect condition before she did. We did the same thing with china from Germany. No way did I think Delta should find a way to get my oversized item stored. If I am going to buy something to fragile to check and to large to fit then I will pay to ship it.

Since I don't post a lot I am going to have to add my rant about people not only carrying on items too large, but they don't think the limit of 2 applies to them. Shopping bags and purses count as an item!!!

nebraskaboy Mar 12, 2012 10:31 am

I'm in the same boat at the OP... my rolling laptop bag fits under the seat of a crj 200/700/900 and everything larger with the exception of the 757-200 transcon with tv's.... "luckily" they are a rarity ex-Boston these days so it hasn't been much of a problem...

nogophers Mar 12, 2012 10:32 am

I side with the FA. This is precisely the reason why the last couple of folks boarding FC have no room for their bags.

Get a smaller laptop bag or "pack lighter".


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