Is Smoking on a Hotel Room Balcony A No-No?
#121
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: ICN / 평택
Programs: AA, DL Gold, UA Gold, HHonors Gold
Posts: 8,714
These threads always offer a fascinating view of humanity.
I don't smoke, can't stand the smell of smoke on my clothes, and don't plan to ever start smoking.
However, the passing smell of cigarette smoke doesn't bother me in a place such as an outdoor balcony. When people sit and smoke at tables in outdoor cafes, it is a little more bothersome, and I'd prefer in those instances if they'd move off elsewhere to smoke and then return.
It is unreasonable to expect a smoker to go completely off-property to have a cigarette when they can simply go outside and smoke (and let their clothes briefly air out before coming back into the room). I think this is a reasonable accommodation. Smoking/non-smoking floors are even better.
I don't smoke, can't stand the smell of smoke on my clothes, and don't plan to ever start smoking.
However, the passing smell of cigarette smoke doesn't bother me in a place such as an outdoor balcony. When people sit and smoke at tables in outdoor cafes, it is a little more bothersome, and I'd prefer in those instances if they'd move off elsewhere to smoke and then return.
It is unreasonable to expect a smoker to go completely off-property to have a cigarette when they can simply go outside and smoke (and let their clothes briefly air out before coming back into the room). I think this is a reasonable accommodation. Smoking/non-smoking floors are even better.
#122
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 22,778
Both incidents happened a long time ago, but within 6 months of each other.
- I lit up after dinner in smoking section of a restaurant. A woman walking by stopped at my table and said "I wish you wouldn't smoke here."
- I was smoking while walking on a pedestrian only street when a young girl screamed at me, " Get this filthy thing away from me".
These threads always offer a fascinating view of humanity.
I don't smoke, can't stand the smell of smoke on my clothes, and don't plan to ever start smoking.
However, the passing smell of cigarette smoke doesn't bother me in a place such as an outdoor balcony. When people sit and smoke at tables in outdoor cafes, it is a little more bothersome, and I'd prefer in those instances if they'd move off elsewhere to smoke and then return.
It is unreasonable to expect a smoker to go completely off-property to have a cigarette when they can simply go outside and smoke (and let their clothes briefly air out before coming back into the room). I think this is a reasonable accommodation. Smoking/non-smoking floors are even better.
I don't smoke, can't stand the smell of smoke on my clothes, and don't plan to ever start smoking.
However, the passing smell of cigarette smoke doesn't bother me in a place such as an outdoor balcony. When people sit and smoke at tables in outdoor cafes, it is a little more bothersome, and I'd prefer in those instances if they'd move off elsewhere to smoke and then return.
It is unreasonable to expect a smoker to go completely off-property to have a cigarette when they can simply go outside and smoke (and let their clothes briefly air out before coming back into the room). I think this is a reasonable accommodation. Smoking/non-smoking floors are even better.
I understand how annoying it can be for a nonsmoker to smell the smoke. Stale smoke is even worse. Making accommodation for other people around you is what matters. Expecting very one in the world to comply with your likes and dislikes is unreasonable.
When I smoked, I would never be the first one to smoke min mixed company without asking if it bothered anyone. But in public places where smoking was allowed or in the smoking section of an establishment, I expected to smoke without getting admonished by non-smokers.
Does anyone remeber thre time when people lit up in movie theatres?
Last edited by Yaatri; Jan 22, 2012 at 5:57 am
#123
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,042
I remember naively moving my seat on a transatlantic flight to an empty row near the back so I could lay down, not realizing that only a couple rows back was the section segregated for the smokers. That why a few rows were empty in the first place! Horrible, sick making 8 hours.
Look, I wish everyone who smokes could quit for their own health. So glad people are no longer allowed to smoke in enclosed public spaces where second hand smoke really is unpleasant. But smoking is not illegal and we need to allow reasonable accomodation, such as balcony smoking.
Look, I wish everyone who smokes could quit for their own health. So glad people are no longer allowed to smoke in enclosed public spaces where second hand smoke really is unpleasant. But smoking is not illegal and we need to allow reasonable accomodation, such as balcony smoking.
#124
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Programs: US-CP, UA, Marriott Rewards, HHonors, Avis,
Posts: 4,549
It would be fair to say the selfishness of smokers who want to smoke anywhere, regardless of a sensible smoking ban matches that of the 'power recliners' who drive their seat backs into the legs of the people behind them the nanosecond the wheels have left the ground, with absolutely no regard for the pain and discomfort their actions cause.
I wonder how many smokers are also 'power recliners? I'd think it would be a very high percentage.
I wonder how many smokers are also 'power recliners? I'd think it would be a very high percentage.
Then would it be equally fair to say that non-smokers think anyone's attempt to recline is a hostile act, to be countered by delivering a sharp knee in the back?
If it's not fair with one analogy, then it's not fair with the other.
#125
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador: World of Hyatt
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: NJ
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, UA Silver, dirt elsewhere
Posts: 46,919
Paint with a broad brush much?
Seriously, I don't even recline my seat more than an inch just to be a bit more comfortable. I hate the knee slammers just as much as anyone else and wouldn't do it to anyone - even if it's being done to me.
So how many other ways are you going to find to insult smokers, who, particularly in this thread, have shown they actually are considerate of others and are asking for just a bit in return?
Seriously, I don't even recline my seat more than an inch just to be a bit more comfortable. I hate the knee slammers just as much as anyone else and wouldn't do it to anyone - even if it's being done to me.
So how many other ways are you going to find to insult smokers, who, particularly in this thread, have shown they actually are considerate of others and are asking for just a bit in return?
#126
Moderator: Travel Safety/Security, Travel Tools, California, Los Angeles; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: LAX
Programs: oneword Emerald
Posts: 20,653
I check my facts before posting: my information comes from tobaccofreenurses.org. - an American organization. according to their statistics, 18 per cent of nurses smoke.
I highly doubt next time you, a family member, friend or loved one ends up on the trauma table in an ER that you will actually refuse life saving care because one of the nurses or doctors smokes.
#127
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Programs: US-CP, UA, Marriott Rewards, HHonors, Avis,
Posts: 4,549
When the 'power recliner', I assume you are one, has forced their seat back down so hard you are unable to move, any jabs in your back are self inflicted as the victim has no movement available. When you are left with zero legroom and a seat back pressing firmly on your legs you can't actually move, and frequently are left in pain.
Not that you'd care about how your selfish, deliberate actions negatively affect anyone else.
Not that you'd care about how your selfish, deliberate actions negatively affect anyone else.
As with the balcony smoking, you have two people who want opposite things. They cannot both have what they want. They can each choose to be a bit flexible and respectful of each other, or can turn it into an unbearable situation for each other. It's not automatically the recliner who is the bad guy, nor is it automatically the smoker who is the bad guy. The only one who is consistently the bad guy is the one who flat-out refuses to even try to see from someone else's perspective.
#128
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 107
Many people have long legs that are already in contact with the seat back.
Where exactly do 'power recliners' expect us to move our legs when you have driven your seat back into our legs with great force?
It's safe to assume the neither 'Mary' or 'dcpatti' have long legs and fail to understand the pain and discomfort caused by a 'power recliner' aggressively slamming a seat onto their legs.
As for their filthy drug addiction, for that is the smokers condition, if it's a no smoking building, it means smoking is NOT allowed anywhere in the building, including on balconies? Why should non smokers have to endure the stink and harmful pollution caused by your disgusting addiction?
Where exactly do 'power recliners' expect us to move our legs when you have driven your seat back into our legs with great force?
It's safe to assume the neither 'Mary' or 'dcpatti' have long legs and fail to understand the pain and discomfort caused by a 'power recliner' aggressively slamming a seat onto their legs.
As for their filthy drug addiction, for that is the smokers condition, if it's a no smoking building, it means smoking is NOT allowed anywhere in the building, including on balconies? Why should non smokers have to endure the stink and harmful pollution caused by your disgusting addiction?
Last edited by PDPhoto; Jan 22, 2012 at 3:12 pm
#129
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador: World of Hyatt
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: NJ
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, UA Silver, dirt elsewhere
Posts: 46,919
Many people have long legs that are already in contact with the seat back.
Where exactly do 'power recliners' expect us to move our legs when you have driven your seat back into our legs with great force?
It's safe to assume the neither 'Mary' or 'dcpatti' have long legs and fail to understand the pain and discomfort caused by a 'power recliner' aggressively slamming a seat onto their legs.
Where exactly do 'power recliners' expect us to move our legs when you have driven your seat back into our legs with great force?
It's safe to assume the neither 'Mary' or 'dcpatti' have long legs and fail to understand the pain and discomfort caused by a 'power recliner' aggressively slamming a seat onto their legs.
As for their filthy drug addiction, for that is the smokers condition, if it's a no smoking building, it means smoking is NOT allowed anywhere in the building, including on balconies? Why should non smokers have to endure the stink and harmful pollution caused by your disgusting addiction?
What do you say to the hotels which tell us to smoke on the balcony? Or what about when we inform the hotel we will be doing so and they say OK?
And I don't like the way I'm being spoken to, particularly when I go out of my way to be considerate, so I will just allow you to get on with your bashing without me.
#130
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Newport Beach, California, USA
Posts: 36,062
Paint with a broad brush much?
Seriously, I don't even recline my seat more than an inch just to be a bit more comfortable. I hate the knee slammers just as much as anyone else and wouldn't do it to anyone - even if it's being done to me.
So how many other ways are you going to find to insult smokers, who, particularly in this thread, have shown they actually are considerate of others and are asking for just a bit in return?
Seriously, I don't even recline my seat more than an inch just to be a bit more comfortable. I hate the knee slammers just as much as anyone else and wouldn't do it to anyone - even if it's being done to me.
So how many other ways are you going to find to insult smokers, who, particularly in this thread, have shown they actually are considerate of others and are asking for just a bit in return?
I smoke where it is permitted to smoke. I don't smoke where it is not permitted to smoke.
I recline when it is permitted to recline, i.e. after wheels up. I don't recline when it is not permitted to recline.
#131
Moderator: Delta SkyMiles, Luxury Hotels, TravelBuzz! and Italy
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 26,544
Message From A Moderator
I have recently deleted two posts which were direct personal attacks. Personal or ad hominem attacks will not be tolerated and will be removed immediately. Stay on topic. The topic Is Smoking on a Hotel Room Balcony a No-No?"
If one wants to discuss the evils of smoking, please do so in an OMNI forum (if OMNI-qualified). Be civil.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Obscure2k
TravelBuzz Moderator
If one wants to discuss the evils of smoking, please do so in an OMNI forum (if OMNI-qualified). Be civil.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Obscure2k
TravelBuzz Moderator
#132
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Programs: US-CP, UA, Marriott Rewards, HHonors, Avis,
Posts: 4,549
As for their filthy drug addiction, for that is the smokers condition, if it's a no smoking building, it means smoking is NOT allowed anywhere in the building, including on balconies? Why should non smokers have to endure the stink and harmful pollution caused by your disgusting addiction?
BTW I'm 5'9" so my knees are no stranger to the setbacks.
#133
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: HH Diamond, Marriott Gold, IHG Gold, Hyatt something
Posts: 33,544
As this thread has turned into the standard smoking/non smoking bash a thon, I thought I'd point out how good things are in the US for nonsmokers.
I currently live in Indonesia most of the year. While there are smoking regulations on the books, nothing is enforced. It's common to have a smoker get on an elevator and keep smoking. A nonsmoking section in a restaurant means nothing. They just start smoking, and grind it out in the floor, or staff brings them an ashtray.
I wish the biggest problem I had was someone smoking on an adjacent balcony!
I currently live in Indonesia most of the year. While there are smoking regulations on the books, nothing is enforced. It's common to have a smoker get on an elevator and keep smoking. A nonsmoking section in a restaurant means nothing. They just start smoking, and grind it out in the floor, or staff brings them an ashtray.
I wish the biggest problem I had was someone smoking on an adjacent balcony!
#134
Senior Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: UA Plat/2MM [23-yr. 1K, now emeritus] clawing way back to WN-A List; MR LT Titanium; HY Whateverist.
Posts: 12,396
We're done here. The prior warning to remain civil was not heeded so thread closed. Ocn Vw 1K, Mod.