Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Aug 2, 2014, 1:02 am
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34. This U.S. airline claimed in a 1967 ad that it would commence SST service in 1971. By the mid-1970s this airline also claimed it would introduce the Boeing SST, of which it has ordered more than any other airline in the world. Hmm… which airline could this have been…?
SST by 1971 and Boeing SST--This must have been Pan American!
Yep - it sure was!
SST by 1971 and Boeing SST--This must have been Pan American!
Yep - it sure was!
Aug 2, 2014, 6:35 am
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8) I'll hazard a wild guess that this was TACA with a BAC One-Eleven operating from Merida to New Orleans as an extension of service from Central America. Way back in the day I saw a TACA BAC One-Eleven at MSY; however, I never flew with them.
Aug 2, 2014, 7:06 am
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Aug 2, 2014, 7:17 am
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The following ten questions are based upon schedules published in the first half of 1974
9. A Seriously Challenging jlemon Special: Always one to eschew nonstop service, you’re positively ecstatic to discover that not one – not two – but THREE different airlines operate a four stop flight between New Orleans and Chicago. So many choices! Identify each of the airlines, the routes they flew between MSY and ORD and the aircraft each airline employed on its flight.
9. A Seriously Challenging jlemon Special: Always one to eschew nonstop service, you’re positively ecstatic to discover that not one – not two – but THREE different airlines operate a four stop flight between New Orleans and Chicago. So many choices! Identify each of the airlines, the routes they flew between MSY and ORD and the aircraft each airline employed on its flight.
16. Not many flights offered First Class service into Charleston, West Virginia in 1968. However, from Washington’s National Airport two airlines provided nonstop flights offering the option to purchase a wider seat with a nicer meal. Identify these two airlines and the equipment flown by each one.
Aug 2, 2014, 8:40 am
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1. Not including flights between New York and the Caribbean, Air France operated three fifth freedom flights within continental North America. Identify the three routes and the aircraft utilized on each route.
3. The jlemon Special: Since we’re on the topic of multi-stop flights, why would anyone want to fly between Phoenix and Denver aboard a boring 727 or 737 when they could instead book a seat aboard this six stop propjet? Identify the airline, the aircraft and the six airports visited enroute.
4. Three days a week this airline would operate a three stop flight between Guam and New York. Los Angeles was not one of the enroute stops. Identify the airline, the aircraft used and the stops made enroute.
Houston Intercontinental (IAH) - Mexico City (MEX) operated with a Boeing 747-200
Miami (MIA) - Port Au Prince (PAP) operated with a Boeing 737-200.....and this flight continued on to San Juan (SJU), St. Maarten (SXM), Pointe a Pitre (PTP) and Fort De France (FDF).
3) Sounds like good old Frontier operating a Convair 580 with a routing of Phoenix (PHX) - Flagstaff (FLG) - Gallup (GUP) - Farmington (FMN) - Cortez (CEZ) - Durango (DRO) - Alamosa (ALS) - Denver (DEN). And if there were thunderstorms en route, this flight could get just a tad bumpy......
4) Let's go with Pan Am operating a Boeing 707 with a routing of Guam (GUM) - Osaka (OSA) - Tokyo (NRT) - Fairbanks (FAI) - New York (JFK). And I think this was one of the few times that Fairbanks had international, transpacific jet service.
Aug 2, 2014, 9:11 am
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Aug 2, 2014, 10:49 am
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Everybody knows that Pan Am flies a nonstop 727 on the MID-MSY route, but you want the more exotic option, also operated nonstop. Identify the more alluring airline and aircraft that also provides nonstop flights between Merida and New Orleans.
Originally Posted by Originally Posted by jlemon
I'll hazard a wild guess that this was TACA with a BAC One-Eleven operating from Merida to New Orleans as an extension of service from Central America. Way back in the day I saw a TACA BAC One-Eleven at MSY; however, I never flew with them.
So - with the vagaries of Wikipedia information having been duly noted, I would have to say that based upon the information I currently have available to me, your answer is... Correct!
Aug 2, 2014, 10:53 am
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Aug 2, 2014, 11:05 am
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9. A Seriously Challenging jlemon Special: Always one to eschew nonstop service, you’re positively ecstatic to discover that not one – not two – but THREE different airlines operate a four stop flight between New Orleans and Chicago. So many choices! Identify each of the airlines, the routes they flew between MSY and ORD and the aircraft each airline employed on its flight.
Love those milk runs -- especially if they have MSY in them!
16. Not many flights offered First Class service into Charleston, West Virginia in 1968. However, from Washington’s National Airport two airlines provided nonstop flights offering the option to purchase a wider seat with a nicer meal. Identify these two airlines and the equipment flown by each one.
Best guesses: American with a Lockheed Electra, and Eastern with a Convair 440
Did Eastern ever operate a First Class cabin on its 440s? Did anybody on a 440? Perhaps they did, but for the purposes of this question and answer the schedule indicates that both American and Eastern operated Lockheed L-188 Electras on this route. ^
Love those milk runs -- especially if they have MSY in them!
16. Not many flights offered First Class service into Charleston, West Virginia in 1968. However, from Washington’s National Airport two airlines provided nonstop flights offering the option to purchase a wider seat with a nicer meal. Identify these two airlines and the equipment flown by each one.
Best guesses: American with a Lockheed Electra, and Eastern with a Convair 440
Did Eastern ever operate a First Class cabin on its 440s? Did anybody on a 440? Perhaps they did, but for the purposes of this question and answer the schedule indicates that both American and Eastern operated Lockheed L-188 Electras on this route. ^
Aug 2, 2014, 11:24 am
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1. Not including flights between New York and the Caribbean, Air France operated three fifth freedom flights within continental North America. Identify the three routes and the aircraft utilized on each route.
Montreal Mirabel (YMX) - Chicago O'Hare (ORD) operated with a Boeing 747-200
Houston Intercontinental (IAH) - Mexico City (MEX) operated with a Boeing 747-200
Miami (MIA) - Port Au Prince (PAP) operated with a Boeing 737-200.....and this flight continued on to San Juan (SJU), St. Maarten (SXM), Pointe a Pitre (PTP) and Fort De France (FDF).
You've got two of the three right! Remember, we're not counting services between the U.S. and the Caribbean...
3. The jlemon Special: Since we’re on the topic of multi-stop flights, why would anyone want to fly between Phoenix and Denver aboard a boring 727 or 737 when they could instead book a seat aboard this six stop propjet? Identify the airline, the aircraft and the six airports visited enroute.
Sounds like good old Frontier operating a Convair 580 with a routing of Phoenix (PHX) - Flagstaff (FLG) - Gallup (GUP) - Farmington (FMN) - Cortez (CEZ) - Durango (DRO) - Alamosa (ALS) - Denver (DEN).
You've got the airline and aircraft correct, and you're definitely in the ballpark with the routing except that you're missing one enroute city while incorporating another city that wasn't in the route. I'll leave this one out there to let you puzzle through it a bit longer.
And if there were thunderstorms en route, this flight could get just a tad bumpy......
I used to pick this flight up in Durango back in the early 70s. The cabin often bore olfactory evidence of someone's travails while flying through the hot, sometimes turbulent air over the desert southwest. From Durango, we had to make our way over the Rocky Mountains resulting in further gastric upheavals from an unfortunate few. We always referred to Frontier's 580s as "The Vomit Comet"!
4. Three days a week this airline would operate a three stop flight between Guam and New York. Los Angeles was not one of the enroute stops. Identify the airline, the aircraft used and the stops made enroute.
4) Let's go with Pan Am operating a Boeing 707 with a routing of Guam (GUM) - Osaka (OSA) - Tokyo (NRT) - Fairbanks (FAI) - New York (JFK). And I think this was one of the few times that Fairbanks had international, transpacific jet service.
One of the few times? I'm thinking that aside from charters and cargo flights, this Pan Am flight may well have been the only flight to ever provide international, transpacific jet service to/from FAI.
By the way, your answer is spot on!
Montreal Mirabel (YMX) - Chicago O'Hare (ORD) operated with a Boeing 747-200
Houston Intercontinental (IAH) - Mexico City (MEX) operated with a Boeing 747-200
Miami (MIA) - Port Au Prince (PAP) operated with a Boeing 737-200.....and this flight continued on to San Juan (SJU), St. Maarten (SXM), Pointe a Pitre (PTP) and Fort De France (FDF).
You've got two of the three right! Remember, we're not counting services between the U.S. and the Caribbean...
3. The jlemon Special: Since we’re on the topic of multi-stop flights, why would anyone want to fly between Phoenix and Denver aboard a boring 727 or 737 when they could instead book a seat aboard this six stop propjet? Identify the airline, the aircraft and the six airports visited enroute.
Sounds like good old Frontier operating a Convair 580 with a routing of Phoenix (PHX) - Flagstaff (FLG) - Gallup (GUP) - Farmington (FMN) - Cortez (CEZ) - Durango (DRO) - Alamosa (ALS) - Denver (DEN).
You've got the airline and aircraft correct, and you're definitely in the ballpark with the routing except that you're missing one enroute city while incorporating another city that wasn't in the route. I'll leave this one out there to let you puzzle through it a bit longer.
And if there were thunderstorms en route, this flight could get just a tad bumpy......
I used to pick this flight up in Durango back in the early 70s. The cabin often bore olfactory evidence of someone's travails while flying through the hot, sometimes turbulent air over the desert southwest. From Durango, we had to make our way over the Rocky Mountains resulting in further gastric upheavals from an unfortunate few. We always referred to Frontier's 580s as "The Vomit Comet"!
4. Three days a week this airline would operate a three stop flight between Guam and New York. Los Angeles was not one of the enroute stops. Identify the airline, the aircraft used and the stops made enroute.
4) Let's go with Pan Am operating a Boeing 707 with a routing of Guam (GUM) - Osaka (OSA) - Tokyo (NRT) - Fairbanks (FAI) - New York (JFK). And I think this was one of the few times that Fairbanks had international, transpacific jet service.
One of the few times? I'm thinking that aside from charters and cargo flights, this Pan Am flight may well have been the only flight to ever provide international, transpacific jet service to/from FAI.
By the way, your answer is spot on!
Aug 2, 2014, 12:15 pm
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1. Not including flights between New York and the Caribbean, Air France operated three fifth freedom flights within continental North America. Identify the three routes and the aircraft utilized on each route.
1. Paris-Montreal-Chicago, a favourite 5th freedom flight for a number of European carriers over time. Probably a 747.
2. Paris-Houston-Mexico City, another that was common, KLM did the same thing. There actually wasn't a lot of demand between Paris (or Amsterdam) and Texas, but much of the Houston traffic on these flights was oil workers in transit to The Gulf and the Middle East. Did AF have enough 747s for this at the time ? Say yes, WHBM.
3. Miami to Port au Prince etc. A Caribbean flight but not from New York. Run with 737s leased from Western to get round a French union issue.
4. Paris-New York down to somewhere in Mexico other than MEX. Both Air France and Lufthansa did this in the 1970s, there was an attempt to build up Mexican tourist traffic which never really caught on. Puerto Vallarta ? Acapulco ? Both on one flight ? I also seem to recall that AF used a 747 over to JFK, then passengers changed onto a 707 onwards.
Aug 2, 2014, 12:33 pm
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Did Eastern ever operate a First Class cabin on its 440s? Did anybody on a 440?
Aug 2, 2014, 12:54 pm
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1. Not including flights between New York and the Caribbean, Air France operated three fifth freedom flights within continental North America. Identify the three routes and the aircraft utilized on each route.
3. The jlemon Special: Since we’re on the topic of multi-stop flights, why would anyone want to fly between Phoenix and Denver aboard a boring 727 or 737 when they could instead book a seat aboard this six stop propjet? Identify the airline, the aircraft and the six airports visited enroute.
17. Identify the three cities served from Boston by Air Canada.
So it's wild guess time: New York (JFK) - Cancun (was CKO back then and is now CUN - not sure why the airport code was changed) operated with a Boeing 707. Now, Cancun is in Mexico, of course....but I believe it is also located on the Caribbean Sea!
And here's a hopefully interesting side note.....back in the mid 70's, Air France and Texas International were flying the same nonstop route between Houston Intercontinental and Mexico City. In fact, the TI flight operated with a DC-9-10 departed IAH just five minutes ahead of the AF B747-200 flight.
Even though these flights departed just minutes from one another, lunch was served on the TI flight while dinner was served on the AF flight.
The fare for the single class (S class) flight on TI was $66.00 one way from IAH to MEX. And the coach air fare (Y class) on the AF flight was also $66.00. However, for just $18 more, one could fly first class on the AF 747 and enjoy dinner and beverages with the intercontinental service standard offered by Air France. I know what flight I would have taken..... and I would have also received two bucks in change for my twenty dollar bill following the upgrade transaction!
3) I'll try this one again as well! Phoenix (PHX) - Flagstaff (FLG) - Winslow (INW) - Gallup (GUP) - Farmington (FMN) - Durango (DRO) - Alamosa (ALS) - Denver (DEN). Frontier, of course, with the CV-580.
17) Ah, good old Mapleflot.......at least, that was the nickname for AC back when it was government owned. So let's talk about not only nonstop service but direct flights as well (as you did not mandate nonstops only) operated by Air Canada from Boston:
Halifax, N.S. (YHZ): nonstop and direct D9S service
Saint John, N.B. (YSJ): nonstop D9S service
St. Johns, Nfld. (YYT): direct D9S service
Sydney, N.S. (YQY): direct D9S service
Yarmouth, N.S. (YQI): nonstop D9S service
Aug 2, 2014, 1:05 pm
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Certainly; the whole aircraft was designated as First Class ("A class"), as was common with many trunk airline prop aircraft of the time in the USA. I believe this was done in part to overcome CAB-regulated fares by saying the service class on a one-class aircraft was all of the higher class. Seat pitch was very good compared to nowadays but you wouldn't find much in the way of fine frippery. Tourist class, as a second class, was commonly on a limited number of routes in separate prop aircraft. It was jets that, apart from some odd exceptions, brought two classes in one aircraft along.