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Nov 27, 2012, 1:24 pm
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Nov 27, 2012, 1:54 pm
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18) It's December of 1971 and you are in Chicago. You want to travel to Los Angeles and you would prefer to fly first class on a wide body aircraft. However, being an airline enthusiast, you enjoy landings and takeoffs en route. Lo and behold, you discover a direct flight utilizing a wide body jet that makes two stops between ORD and LAX. What airline and aircraft type will you be flying on and where will you be stopping en route?
Nov 27, 2012, 3:17 pm
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And you are correct, sir! My apologies....I had forgotten about La Paz, Mexico (LAP) on the PHX-TUS-LAP-MZT-PVR route.
BTW, Guaymas, Mexico (GYM) was also authorized as a stop on the above routing; however, Bonanza was not serving GYM per their April 28, 1968 timetable for whatever reason.....
Runway construction? Cows on the runway? Tower personnel drunk on tequila? The real reason has apparently become lost in the murky recesses of time.....
BTW, Guaymas, Mexico (GYM) was also authorized as a stop on the above routing; however, Bonanza was not serving GYM per their April 28, 1968 timetable for whatever reason.....
Runway construction? Cows on the runway? Tower personnel drunk on tequila? The real reason has apparently become lost in the murky recesses of time.....
Nov 27, 2012, 3:22 pm
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This time, I had forgotten about Walla Walla, WA (ALW) which was only served once a day with a DC-9 on a GEG-ALW-PSC-YKM-PDX-EUG-MFR-SFO routing per the April 28, 1968 West Coast system timetable. This flight originated very early in the morning from GEG.
In other words, when the DC-9 headed back to GEG for the night, it did not stop at ALW en route from PSC to GEG......
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Nov 27, 2012, 3:32 pm
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And remember: "wide body aircraft" also referred to DC-10 and L-1011 equipment at the time.....so there's a hint for you.
Nov 27, 2012, 3:51 pm
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1) The L-1011 didn't start flying until 1972, so that eliminated a few contenders such as TWA, and
2) 1971 was still the era of regulated skies, so if it wasn't CO23, it would have to have been a DC-10 on either UA or AA on an old milk run, most likely in simple terms, or a crazy routing on another very early DC-10 operator.
I saw CO23 listed as a 747 with two stops on a Saturday beginning in Dec/71, with the note that the flight number was bolded even if only one segment of the flight was on a jumbo, so without looking at the entire route, it appears at first glance that it was a 747 the entire way through.
N.B. The Bonanza seemed like the trickiest of them all, since Mexican service in April/68 only operated southbound!
But now you have me head-scratching on a milk run taken over by a DC-10. I believe NW is out of the running, since their midwest-originating westbound widebodies flew many stops, hop-skipping-and-jumping through Montana, etc.
Nov 27, 2012, 3:57 pm
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Yesssss, I was banging my head on that one, for two reasons:
1) The L-1011 didn't start flying until 1972, so that eliminated a few contenders such as TWA, and
2) 1971 was still the era of regulated skies, so if it wasn't CO23, it would have to have been a DC-10 on either UA or AA on an old milk run, most likely in simple terms, or a crazy routing on another very early DC-10 operator.
I saw CO23 listed as a 747 with two stops on a Saturday beginning in Dec/71, with the note that the flight number was bolded even if only one segment of the flight was on a jumbo, so without looking at the entire route, it appears at first glance that it was a 747 the entire way through.
N.B. The Bonanza seemed like the trickiest of them all, since Mexican service in April/68 only operated southbound! But now you have me head-scratching on a milk run taken over by a DC-10. I believe NW is out of the running, since their midwest-originating westbound widebodies flew many stops, hop-skipping-and-jumping through Montana, etc.
1) The L-1011 didn't start flying until 1972, so that eliminated a few contenders such as TWA, and
2) 1971 was still the era of regulated skies, so if it wasn't CO23, it would have to have been a DC-10 on either UA or AA on an old milk run, most likely in simple terms, or a crazy routing on another very early DC-10 operator.
I saw CO23 listed as a 747 with two stops on a Saturday beginning in Dec/71, with the note that the flight number was bolded even if only one segment of the flight was on a jumbo, so without looking at the entire route, it appears at first glance that it was a 747 the entire way through.
N.B. The Bonanza seemed like the trickiest of them all, since Mexican service in April/68 only operated southbound!
But now you have me head-scratching on a milk run taken over by a DC-10. I believe NW is out of the running, since their midwest-originating westbound widebodies flew many stops, hop-skipping-and-jumping through Montana, etc.So we can now say that it was a DC-10 flight.....and it was roundtrip as well.
Nov 27, 2012, 4:08 pm
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I'm thinking United or American. AA might be a possibility with a routing like ORD-PHX-PSP-LAX, or UA with a ORD-DEN-LAS-LAX routing, though I don't recall UA ever running it's -10s on the LAS-LAX run. Omaha seems a possibility but I don't think UA brought the -10 to OMA until later. I guess for now I'll go with that first AA routing via PHX and PSP.
Nov 27, 2012, 4:16 pm
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Those are all good possibilities. I dismissed the LAS stop as well on UA. I was also thinking ORD-DEN-SFO-LAX as a possibility, since UA often ran widebodies on the SFO-LAX run, but I'm not sure if it was that early into their service or not.
ETA: AA used to run ORD-DFW-LAX through service on a DC-10, but I don't see many possibilities for another stop other than inserting PHX, PSP or the likes into the equation.
ETA: AA used to run ORD-DFW-LAX through service on a DC-10, but I don't see many possibilities for another stop other than inserting PHX, PSP or the likes into the equation.
Nov 27, 2012, 4:23 pm
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Just to help you all along, total DC-10 deliveries by 31 Dec 71 were :
American - 5 *
United - 5
National - 3
* This includes an AA one which was parked at a gate at SFO in August 1971 when I took that evening trip on the Western 720B I referred to above. They may not have actually entered service by then. In any event, it was the first DC-10 I ever saw.
American - 5 *
United - 5
National - 3
* This includes an AA one which was parked at a gate at SFO in August 1971 when I took that evening trip on the Western 720B I referred to above. They may not have actually entered service by then. In any event, it was the first DC-10 I ever saw.
Nov 27, 2012, 6:52 pm
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1) EAS routes, or
2) All discontinued during the 80s
12) In June of 1969, Northeast Airlines was operating DC-9-30 jet service from Cleveland (CLE) nonstop to Chicago Midway (MDW) and Burlington, VT (BTV) with direct one stop service to Bangor, ME (BGR). These were the only three cities served by NE with nonstop or direct flights at this time where a connection was not required. What was unique about Northeast's Cleveland service at this time?
Nov 27, 2012, 7:24 pm
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Just to help you all along, total DC-10 deliveries by 31 Dec 71 were :
American - 5 *
United - 5
National - 3
* This includes an AA one which was parked at a gate at SFO in August 1971 when I took that evening trip on the Western 720B I referred to above. They may not have actually entered service by then. In any event, it was the first DC-10 I ever saw.
American - 5 *
United - 5
National - 3
* This includes an AA one which was parked at a gate at SFO in August 1971 when I took that evening trip on the Western 720B I referred to above. They may not have actually entered service by then. In any event, it was the first DC-10 I ever saw.
Nov 27, 2012, 7:36 pm
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I'm thinking United or American. AA might be a possibility with a routing like ORD-PHX-PSP-LAX, or UA with a ORD-DEN-LAS-LAX routing, though I don't recall UA ever running it's -10s on the LAS-LAX run. Omaha seems a possibility but I don't think UA brought the -10 to OMA until later. I guess for now I'll go with that first AA routing via PHX and PSP.
I tend to scribble my questions at times when I am formulating them and sometimes the results are not quite legible......call it the curse of an airline old timer!
Anyway, the actual month and year with regard to the question is December of 1974........