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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:

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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:

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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:

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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:

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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:

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http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:

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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

Quote:

http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:

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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:

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Jun 27, 2013 | 3:36 pm

#6046

Jim055

Join Date: Apr 2010

Location: SoCal

Programs: Free Agent

Posts: 232

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty.mohr

What I'd like to see is the ability to input a particular flight number - then have it display all availability within the time period specified.

Wowzers! Great idea. +1

Jun 27, 2013 | 7:51 pm

#6047

KVS

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Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmid2006

My question is whether there is any way I can get a trail period to test out KVS or any other programs that will allow me to test out the system prior to becoming a paid member.

KVS Tool supports Award Availability on all Star Alliance, including BR:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#BR

You are welcome to sign-up using one of the 2-month membership options, which have been created specifically for those who are looking to 'try' the KVS Tool:
http://Join.KVSTool.com/

Jun 27, 2013 | 10:08 pm

#6048

pete4212

Join Date: Apr 2011

Posts: 288

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmid2006

I was thinking about using KVS to alert me when an award business seat opens up in Eva airline. I don't want to pay for a membership and then find out the BR doesn't show up at all.

My question is whether there is any way I can get a trail period to test out KVS or any other programs that will allow me to test out the system prior to becoming a paid member. Thanks for any help.

Not only does KVS not offer alerts, but it also does not offer a free trial period. AwardNexus.com on the other hand offers automated searching (sent to your email) along with a free version for FT members. ExpertFlyer.com also offers a 5-day free trial. You may also want to look at http://www.wandr.me/

Jun 28, 2013 | 4:49 pm

#6049

KVS

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FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jan 2004

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Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by pschafer

This is exactly what I have been doing.

Which version appears on the KVSTool.com download page?
How are you launching the Setup file in CrossOver?
Could you please provide a screenshot via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/?

Jun 30, 2013 | 1:26 am

#6050

IncyWincy

Join Date: Dec 2002

Location: Hong Kong

Posts: 2,184

Doubts about accuracy of KVS (for cx 840 on 13 Jul)

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Jun 30, 2013 | 1:47 pm

#6051

Flyer IAH

Join Date: Jun 2007

Programs: UA, AA, AF, IB

Posts: 388

Error on Award Search for DL/Skyteam

There is an error in the award search method DL/Skyteam. Whenever searching with the airline option *S Skyteam (DL/KL/AF/AZ/AM) instead of displaying this, it displays availability for **Skyteam (DL/KE).

Search for Delta award availability with option * Skyteam (DL/KL/AF/AZ/AM), and it works fine. But then do a subsequent search, changing dates, and it displays the availability for ** Skyteam (DL/KE). This seems to be a system glitch.

This error is on both the regular KVS version and the Beta Power Search KVS version.

Jun 30, 2013 | 2:03 pm

#6052

KVS

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Join Date: Jan 2004

Location: Worldwide

Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyer IAH

Why do you believe that the results do not match the selected option?

Could you please provide some screenshots via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/?

Jun 30, 2013 | 10:37 pm

#6053

pschafer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Location: Sydney, Australia

Programs: UA, QF, VS, AA, US, HH, SPG

Posts: 974

Installing new version under Crossover

Quote:

Originally Posted by pschafer

This is exactly what I have been doing.

Ok - I finally got to the bottom of this - i.e. installing the new version 7.2.3.R2 for Mac under Crossover - all previous attempts simply re-installed the old version.

I downloaded the KVS setup utility from the main KVS screen into my "download folder" then in Crossover I selected the Install Application option, then selected KVS from the list of "Community Supported Applications" then I manually set the install utility to select the setup .exe from my download folder. Then hit the INSTALL button and it worked.

Now I have no idea if this is what you have been telling me to do but all other combinations simply re-installed the old version.

Also, once installed I did need to re-enter all my FF program details but this may have something to do with my convoluted installation procedure.

Jul 1, 2013 | 6:34 am

#6054

weegraeme

Join Date: Apr 2013

Location: BNE

Programs: QF, KLM, BA

Posts: 506

I've been trying to use the mobile companion as well as 7.2.3 and I've just realised I'm getting different results for what I think is the same search. This might have been covered already, but with 5779 posts so far, I haven't been able to find it.

I'm searching availability on BA12 from SIN to LHR on 4 July 2013. I get

[KVS Availability Tool 7.2.3/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]

SIN Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
THU 04 Jul 2013

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------------------
BA 12 SIN 22:55 LHR 05:00 744 F1 A1 J4 C0 W1 E1 T1 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 G0
BA 16 SIN 23:05 LHR 05:30 777 F0 A0 J4 C0 W0 Y3 B0 H0 K0 M0 G0

When I search using the Mobile Companion I get:

Sorry, I don't know if I can make that any smaller. It looks huge on preview.

Anyway, my question is: Am I doing anything fundamentally wrong to get different results?

Jul 1, 2013 | 12:16 pm

#6055

KVS

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Posts: 12,952

Quote:

Originally Posted by weegraeme

Looks like a slight POS variation, which is normal for BA:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Factors

Quote:

Originally Posted by weegraeme

Sorry, I don't know if I can make that any smaller. It looks huge on preview.

You can use the 640x480 Resize option at http://ImageShack.us/

Jul 1, 2013 | 12:49 pm

#6056

hnewman

Join Date: Aug 2003

Location: Mesilla, NM

Programs: DL DM 4.7 MM Marriott Lifetime Titanium AA PL Not chasing status Retired!

Posts: 2,777

Flights not showing

I am using version 7.2.9901/Diamond. I am searching for the DL 376 ATL-NAS and ATL-MSP 1528 , which I have booked to see if the points have gone down. KVStool does not show that routing.

[KVS Availability Tool 7.2.9901/Diamond - Awards/DL-SkyTeam/US-P]

NAS Nassau Intl BS [MYNN]
MSP Minneapolis St Paul Intl MN US [KMSP]
SAT 24 May 2014 | 1 Seat | SM Status: Diamond

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Information
DL 554 NAS 08:30 ATL 10:49 319 0 Dur: 02:19 | SM: 26.2K+92 USD
-> DL 300 ATL 21:45 MSP 23:30 M90 0 Dur: 02:45
DL 554 NAS 08:30 ATL 10:49 319 0 Dur: 02:19 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 629 ATL 12:20 DTW 14:21 M88 0 Dur: 02:01
-> DL 2235 DTW 17:25 MSP 18:27 757 0 Dur: 02:02
DL 554 NAS 08:30 ATL 10:49 319 0 Dur: 02:19 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 565 ATL 12:05 CVG 13:29 738 0 Dur: 01:24
-> DL/OO 4740 CVG 17:15 MSP 18:15 CR1 0 Dur: 02:00
DL 554 NAS 08:30 ATL 10:49 319 0 Dur: 02:19 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 1281 ATL 14:50 MEM 15:15 M88 0 Dur: 01:25
-> DL 1064 MEM 08:30 +1 MSP 10:38 +1 319 0 Dur: 02:08
DL 554 NAS 08:30 ATL 10:49 319 0 Dur: 02:19 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 1267 ATL 18:15 DTW 20:27 757 0 Dur: 02:12
-> DL 512 DTW 21:35 MSP 22:31 M88 0 Dur: 01:56
DL 554 NAS 08:30 ATL 10:49 319 0 Dur: 02:19 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 414 ATL 15:00 DTW 17:00 757 0 Dur: 02:00
-> DL 512 DTW 21:35 MSP 22:31 M88 0 Dur: 01:56
DL 376 NAS 13:07 ATL 15:33 M88 0 Dur: 02:26 | SM: 26.2K+92 USD
-> DL 300 ATL 21:45 MSP 23:30 M90 0 Dur: 02:45
DL 376 NAS 13:07 ATL 15:33 M88 0 Dur: 02:26 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 1166 ATL 16:40 DTW 18:49 753 0 Dur: 02:09
-> DL 512 DTW 21:35 MSP 22:31 M88 0 Dur: 01:56
DL 376 NAS 13:07 ATL 15:33 M88 0 Dur: 02:26 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 1267 ATL 18:15 DTW 20:27 757 0 Dur: 02:12
-> DL 512 DTW 21:35 MSP 22:31 M88 0 Dur: 01:56
DL 376 NAS 13:07 ATL 15:33 M88 0 Dur: 02:26 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 1267 ATL 18:15 DTW 20:27 757 0 Dur: 02:12
-> DL 945 DTW 07:25 +1 MSP 08:26 +1 320 0 Dur: 02:01
DL 376 NAS 13:07 ATL 15:33 M88 0 Dur: 02:26 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 1513 ATL 19:20 DTW 21:23 757 0 Dur: 02:03
-> DL 945 DTW 07:25 +1 MSP 08:26 +1 320 0 Dur: 02:01
DL 376 NAS 13:07 ATL 15:33 M88 0 Dur: 02:26 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 2461 ATL 19:15 MEM 19:45 M88 0 Dur: 01:30
-> DL 1064 MEM 08:30 +1 MSP 10:38 +1 319 0 Dur: 02:08
DL 376 NAS 13:07 ATL 15:33 M88 0 Dur: 02:26 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 886 ATL 18:45 LGA 21:18 738 0 Dur: 02:33
-> DL 1919 LGA 06:10 +1 MSP 08:09 +1 M88 0 Dur: 02:59
DL 372 NAS 15:15 LGA 18:30 M88 0 Dur: 03:15 | SM: 17.5K+92 USD
-> DL 1919 LGA 06:10 +1 MSP 08:09 +1 M88 0 Dur: 02:59
DL 462 NAS 16:45 ATL 18:57 M88 0 Dur: 02:12 | SM: 26.2K+92 USD
-> DL 300 ATL 21:45 MSP 23:30 M90 0 Dur: 02:45
DL 462 NAS 16:45 ATL 18:57 M88 0 Dur: 02:12 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 1290 ATL 21:45 DTW 23:49 M88 0 Dur: 02:04
-> DL 945 DTW 07:25 +1 MSP 08:26 +1 320 0 Dur: 02:01
DL 462 NAS 16:45 ATL 18:57 M88 0 Dur: 02:12 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 2180 ATL 10:50 +1 MEM 11:15 +1 M88 0 Dur: 01:25
-> DL 433 MEM 14:15 +1 MSP 16:26 +1 320 0 Dur: 02:11
DL 462 NAS 16:45 ATL 18:57 M88 0 Dur: 02:12 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 1290 ATL 21:45 DTW 23:49 M88 0 Dur: 02:04
-> DL 48 DTW 10:00 +1 MSP 10:56 +1 738 0 Dur: 01:56
DL 462 NAS 16:45 ATL 18:57 M88 0 Dur: 02:12 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 9 ATL 22:50 MEM 23:16 M88 0 Dur: 01:26
-> DL 1064 MEM 08:30 +1 MSP 10:38 +1 319 0 Dur: 02:08
DL 462 NAS 16:45 ATL 18:57 M88 0 Dur: 02:12 | SM: 26.2K+94 USD
-> DL 9 ATL 22:50 MEM 23:16 M88 0 Dur: 01:26
-> DL 433 MEM 14:15 +1 MSP 16:26 +1 320 0 Dur: 02:11

Jul 1, 2013 | 12:58 pm

#6057

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hnewman

I am using version 7.2.9901/Diamond. I am searching for the DL 376 ATL-NAS and ATL-MSP 1528 , which I have booked to see if the points have gone down. KVStool does not show that routing.

You would need to search segment-by-segment:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.2.3/Diamond - Awards/DL-SkyTeam/US-P]

Code:

ATL  Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL]
MSP  Minneapolis St Paul Intl MN US [KMSP]
SAT  24 May 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
DL         1528    ATL   17:15     MSP   19:04     M88  0   FM+  YM+

Jul 1, 2013 | 1:15 pm

#6058

hnewman

Join Date: Aug 2003

Location: Mesilla, NM

Programs: DL DM 4.7 MM Marriott Lifetime Titanium AA PL Not chasing status Retired!

Posts: 2,777

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

You would need to search segment-by-segment:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.2.3/Diamond - Awards/DL-SkyTeam/US-P]

Code:

ATL  Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL]
MSP  Minneapolis St Paul Intl MN US [KMSP]
SAT  24 May 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
DL         1528    ATL   17:15     MSP   19:04     M88  0   FM+  YM+

can you explain why please.

Jul 1, 2013 | 1:20 pm

#6059

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hnewman

can you explain why please.

This question would be best directed to DL itself, as they control the connection-building logic of that Engine.

Jul 4, 2013 | 1:19 pm

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tommy99

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Hello, a bit of a newbie trying to figure out a mini-RTW via Aeroplan.

When I use the MPM feature on KVS, the mileage numbers are different than two online MPM calculators. Keeping in mind the 5% overage Aeroplan allows I can't fit in the stopover I wanted but could if using the other calculators.

Are the KVS numbers the one I should be going by or is there an online industry standard out there. I don't want to get everything together to book and find out that I'm either over my MPM or rather short and could have fit another leg in. Thanks!