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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
I was wondering why LH would do this - any reason for them to initiate such a charge?
This question would be best directed to LH .
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 7:59 pm
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I see some criticism of access methods in KVSTool that people claim were added, then removed or no longer available or now cost extra. Perhaps people don't understand that most of the information that they see comes from databases and servers that are outside the control of KVS. This is why problems come up from time to time and some search methods no longer work - either temporarily or permanently. It's not like using a computer program where every feature is under the total control of the programmer. It's an access method ... availability tool.

Personally I'm very happy with what KVS offers and the extremely useful new extended search abilities like timetables and MPM now on offer. I'm confident that KVS will continue to offer the best facilities that are possible, though no doubt these will change from time to time for better and occasionally for worse.

As someone stated earlier in this thread, once RTW is restored we really have a perfect solution for finding out almost everything we could wish to know about flights, routings, availability and so on.
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 12:43 pm
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Originally Posted by iantheglobetrotter
I see some criticism of access methods in KVSTool that people claim were added, then removed or no longer available or now cost extra. Perhaps people don't understand that most of the information that they see comes from databases and servers that are outside the control of KVS. This is why problems come up from time to time and some search methods no longer work - either temporarily or permanently. It's not like using a computer program where every feature is under the total control of the programmer. It's an access method ... availability tool.
Welcome to FT!

Features on on the tool have been coming and going all the time as the various websites the tool accesses change/block/eliminate data that the tool scrapes from. This is well understood by us.

But this time when a new source for previously available data is found, it came back through the tool at a new tier and a higher subscription price. That's the point that sbm12 was trying to make in post 2424:

"....... but it is pretty easy to argue that the folks who had paid for platinum actually LOST something and now that the same functionality is back it costs more."

As far as whether it "now cost extra" for KVS to provide the data through the tool, this would imply the possibility that KVS may have a cost associated with acquiring the data each time a query is made on behalf of its subscribers which it did not previously have. If this is the case, then a higher cost to access the data may be justified. But if it is a fixed cost associated with developing programming to access data that is free, then why should this additional cost associated with programming result in a higher subscription cost when the original access method did not, or when other features are added to a tier without resulting in an increase in the subscription price?

KVS certainly has the right to charge whatever they want for whatever feature set they want to package at a given price level. This latest development just strikes us all a little differently then similar cases of the past.
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 1:23 pm
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I am getting the following error message, when checking seat availability via apollo: seatmap is unavailable for this flight --> "access denied".
I have the latest version of the programm, checked this for LX/LH flights. Checking them worked out fine before. Checking with amadeus is not a help, because I want to check the blocked emergency exits.
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 1:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Moranguinho
I am getting the following error message, when checking seat availability via apollo: seatmap is unavailable for this flight --> "access denied".
I have the latest version of the programm, checked this for LX/LH flights. Checking them worked out fine before. Checking with amadeus is not a help, because I want to check the blocked emergency exits.
This issue, which started yesterday, will be resolved in the upcoming version. In the meantime, if you could provide the flight info, I can post the Apollo seat map here (or, if preferred, via PM).
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by inlanikai
This latest development just strikes us all a little differently then similar cases of the past.
Not quite sure how the changes in questions would affect anyone, who is no longer a current member.

However, a certain someone, having a connection with a company, behind a product, which has the initials, corresponding to the 5th and 6th letters of the Latin alphabet, may have something to do with it .
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Not quite sure how the changes in questions would affect anyone, who is no longer a current member.
So, only current subscribers can comment in this thread? Your thread, your ground rules, I guess. Noted with thanks.

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However, a certain someone, having a connection with a company, behind a product, which has the initials, corresponding to the 5th and 6th letters of the Latin alphabet, may have something to do with it .
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by inlanikai
So, only current subscribers can comment in this thread? Your thread, your ground rules, I guess. Noted with thanks.
No, but the original issue had to do with current members, who may have been affected by the changes (and the possible solutions for those members).
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 4:25 pm
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Originally Posted by iantheglobetrotter
I see some criticism of access methods in KVSTool that people claim were added, then removed or no longer available or now cost extra. Perhaps people don't understand that most of the information that they see comes from databases and servers that are outside the control of KVS.
Many of those same people probably also don't know that the vast majority of the data (I won't say all because I am not 100% certain) is also available publicly without paying a subscription fee to KVS.

I'm happy to pay for a service when I feel I'm getting good value. But the way these latest changes have gone down - particularly with routing rules and RTW fares now costing extra where they used to be included in lower priced subscriptions - rubs me the wrong way.

And, no, I have no vested interest in EF. Never been a subscriber there and don't intend to.

PS - Welcome to FlyerTalk. Interesting thread to join up for.
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 5:40 pm
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Newbie Question

Hello

I am new to KVS but it has helped me find award availability. I started playing around with the Sabre Fares/TVN function and I found a fare that I want to book but I do not know how to do it. It is from ORD to KRT on TK. the cheapest flight from JUN-MAY is $402. That is a great price. So, my questions are:

1. is that a price before the taxes?
2. How do I find that fare to purchase it?

Thanks.
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by yerba
I am new to KVS but it has helped me find award availability. I started playing around with the Sabre Fares/TVN function and I found a fare that I want to book but I do not know how to do it. It is from ORD to KRT on TK. the cheapest flight from JUN-MAY is $402. That is a great price. So, my questions are:

1. is that a price before the taxes?
2. How do I find that fare to purchase it?
You will find answers to both of the above questions (and many more) at http://FAQ.KVSTool.com/
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 6:43 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
This issue, which started yesterday, will be resolved in the upcoming version. In the meantime, if you could provide the flight info, I can post the Apollo seat map here (or, if preferred, via PM).
ZRH-GRU on Jun 11th and GRU-ZRH on Jun 18th, please (Map Y). Thank you!
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by Moranguinho
ZRH-GRU on Jun 11th and GRU-ZRH on Jun 18th, please (Map Y). Thank you!
There you go:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.5.9910/Diamond - Apollo Seat Map: 11 Jun 2009/LX 92/ZRH-GRU/343/Y]
Code:
       A   B    |   D   E   F   G    |   J   K 
23 W   X   -        X   +   -   +        -   X     
24 W   -   -        +   +   -   +        -   -     
25 W   -   -        +   +   +   +        -   -     
26 W   -   X        +   +   +   +        -   -     
27 W   -   -        +   +   +   +        -   -     
28     +   -        +   +   +   +        X   +     
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 7:47 am
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KVS,

Can you explain what "transfers" mean as a part of the fare - as I understand, no "free" transfers are offered nowadays, if one is transiting through Europe, from USA-Asia or vice-versa, correct?

From an LH fare:

Code:
[TRANSFERS]
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION. FARE
BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
It used to be different, some years ago...where one could avail of a free side-trip.
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
KVS,

Can you explain what "transfers" mean as a part of the fare - as I understand, no "free" transfers are offered nowadays, if one is transiting through Europe, from USA-Asia or vice-versa, correct?

From an LH fare:

Code:
[TRANSFERS]
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION. FARE
BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
It used to be different, some years ago...where one could avail of a free side-trip.
Transfer = connection.
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