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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 11:30 am
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I am searching SA awards, and they show FS@ CS@ YS@.

Looking on the FAQ, this means On Request but for NH/OZ only. So seeing as i'm getting this for SA is it something different, or has SA gone On Request too?
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by kryten22uk
I am searching SA awards, and they show FS@ CS@ YS@.

Looking on the FAQ, this means On Request but for NH/OZ only. So seeing as i'm getting this for SA is it something different, or has SA gone On Request too?
Pls read the FAQ to the end :
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...3#post10478003
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by bernyx
Can someone tell me which these are for KE, and if any are for award on the KVS tool.
Originally Posted by bernyx
also for northwest , thanks
Pls refer to http://FAQ.KVSTool.com/
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Damn, I did read the FAQ and saw that but for some reason I didnt read the "non" infront of NH/OZ.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 11:25 am
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I'm trying to book a trip PVG to YYZ on April 13, 2009. And would like to check the I class availability. AC88 non-stop is showing on the AC.com website but I cannot see it in KVS. I can't see it in seatcounter.com either. Why is that? Yes, I know I can call AC but I would rather do all the homework before calling them.
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Old Oct 9, 2008 | 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by jarusoba
I'm trying to book a trip PVG to YYZ on April 13, 2009. And would like to check the I class availability. AC88 non-stop is showing on the AC.com website but I cannot see it in KVS. I can't see it in seatcounter.com either. Why is that? Yes, I know I can call AC but I would rather do all the homework before calling them.
That flight is not scheduled to operated on Mondays:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
Code:
PVG  Shanghai PuDong CN [ZSPD]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
MON  13 Apr 2009 - 20 Apr 2009

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------- 
AC        88     PVG  17:10     YYZ  18:50     77L  0    --3-5-7     13:40       -       -   01 Apr   29 Apr
AC        26     PVG  15:45     YYZ  21:30     763  1    12-4-6-     17:45       -       -   13 Apr   20 Apr
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
That flight is not scheduled to operated on Mondays:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.0/Platinum - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
So I presume there is a bug in AC's website. I can see that flight in their website.
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 11:53 am
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Originally Posted by jarusoba
So I presume there is a bug in AC's website. I can see that flight in their website.
You may wish to raise this question in the dedicated AC forum ...
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Old Oct 10, 2008 | 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
You may wish to raise this question in the dedicated AC forum ...
It seems that they have fixed that in AC.com now. It is not showing that flight any more. So KVS is more accurate than AC.com^
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 1:06 pm
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Impossible to see the fares between PAR (or LON) and Asia transitting US
for example CDG-EWG-HKG (which is a regular flight with CO and can be booked on Co website) can not be listed on Sabre fares/DotRes or Zuj (independantly of the oct. 13 issue )
pop up with "data source error" and "no fares found"
any solution?
thanks
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Old Oct 13, 2008 | 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by delanotre
Impossible to see the fares between PAR (or LON) and Asia transitting US
for example CDG-EWG-HKG (which is a regular flight with CO and can be booked on Co website) can not be listed on Sabre fares/DotRes or Zuj (independantly of the oct. 13 issue )
pop up with "data source error" and "no fares found"
any solution?
thanks
CO does not publish any fares between PAR and HKG; there are 2 separate fares: PAR-EWR & EWR-HKG.
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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 12:12 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
CO does not publish any fares between PAR and HKG; there are 2 separate fares: PAR-EWR & EWR-HKG.
These fares are published on their site, in one fare with a stop and I have yet booked with AF agency. So, is it only available for professionnals?

2) What is exactly IATA fares included in the last updated version?
The maximum fare available?



[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]
Code:
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY
LAX  Los Angeles Int'l CA US [KLAX]
RT   Oct-Sep

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
YY        LON    LAX      950   EUR            Sun   6M  YHAP4M
YY        LON    LAX     1203   EUR            Sun   6M  YHAP4M
YY        LON    LAX     1242   EUR            Sun   6M  YHAP4M
YY        LON    LAX     4223   EUR                      Y
YY        LON    LAX     8872   EUR                      C
YY        LON    LAX    10952   EUR                      F
3) I do not find RTW fares.

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Old Oct 14, 2008 | 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by delanotre
These fares are published on their site, in one fare with a stop and I have yet booked with AF agency. So, is it only available for professionnals?
No, the site is using 2 separate fares as I have described above.

Originally Posted by delanotre
2) What is exactly IATA fares included in the last updated version?
The maximum fare available?
Generic YY fares are published by the IATA on behalf of its members and are applicable to flights of all participating carriers. To book a ticket using these fares, it would be best to use the services of an experienced Travel Agent, who will be able to confirm whether a desired carrier actually participates in that fare and the booking class(es) to be used.

Originally Posted by delanotre
3) I do not find RTW fares.
RTW fares are not currently supported.
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 9:37 am
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H class and Air Canada Flight passes

Hi all. I'm contemplating purchasing some flight passes from Air Canada, but i'm concerned about ticket availability. The terms of the passes state that they are H booking class tickets. I'm not quite sure if that's good or bad. When I look up flights for today, I see this, but I'm unsure what it means.
Could someone help me understand what I may be getting myself into!

[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Lite - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

YYT St John's NL CA [CYYT]
EWR New York Newark Liberty Int'l NJ US [KEWR]
WED 15 Oct 2008

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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-> AC/QK 8640 YYZ 18:30 EWR 20:00 CRA 0 J4 C4 Z4 Y9 M9 U9 B9 H8 V7 Q7 L5 A0 S0 R9 K8 N7 G7 P5 E0 T0
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Originally Posted by seanburke
Hi all. I'm contemplating purchasing some flight passes from Air Canada, but i'm concerned about ticket availability. The terms of the passes state that they are H booking class tickets. I'm not quite sure if that's good or bad. When I look up flights for today, I see this, but I'm unsure what it means.
Could someone help me understand what I may be getting myself into!
You've asked several questions. First I will explain what this means:


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[KVS Availability Tool 3.3.1/Lite - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

YYT  St John's NL CA [CYYT]
EWR  New York Newark Liberty Int'l NJ US [KEWR]
WED  15 Oct 2008

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- 
 -> AC/QK 8640   YYZ  18:30     EWR  20:00     CRA  0    J4 C4 Z4 Y9 M9 U9 B9 H8 V7 Q7 L5 A0 S0 R9 K8 N7 G7 P5 E0 T0
It means the following.

"At this instant:

J4 - AC is willing to sell 4 seats for the Executive Class cabin, and it is willing to selling them at the J fare level.
C4 - AC is willing to sell 4 seats in Executive Class at the C fare level.
Z4 - AC is willing to sell 4 seats in Executive Class at the Z fare level.

Y9 - AC is willing to sell 9 or more seats for the Economy Class cabin, and it is willing to sell them at the Y fare level.
M9 - will sell 9 or more at the M fare level
U9 - and so on
B9 - and so on
H8 - AC is willing to sell 8 seats at the H fare level
V7 - or 7 seats at the V level
Q7 L5 A0 S0 - and so on until it will not sell any at A or S fare level.
R9 K8 N7 G7 P5 E0 T0 - and so on

and all this could change at any instant."

Note that they will not tell you the number over 9 in a cabin or a fare level.

Now, are H fares good or bad? The AC fare structure in North America looks like this:


J C Z - Executive
Y M U - Latitude
B H V Q L A S - Tango Plus
R K N G P E T - Tango


Within each of the four categories the fare rules are identical. The fares get cheaper as you move to the right, and the number of seats available for sale will not increase as you move to the right within each row.

In my experience the numbers of seats available tend to be equal for the last two rows (B=R, H=K, V=N) etc.

H is the second highest Tango Plus fare level, so essentially the second highest of the nonrefundable fares. It is a fairly high fare level and availability should be good. You might have trouble getting on a popular flight on short notice but that's about it.
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