Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Travel&Dining > Travel Tools
Reload this Page >

KVS Availability Tool

Community
Wiki Posts
Search
Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am
FlyerTalk Forums Expert How-Tos and Guides
Last edit by: Xyzzy
Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
...
D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
Print Wikipost

KVS Availability Tool

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 21, 2008, 7:24 pm
  #1786  
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: MXP
Programs: SQ-S.PPS, DL-G, NW-G, BD-G, US-G, UA-GS
Posts: 661
Using NWA to redeem DL miles

Is anyone else having a problem with what NWA spits out and what DL call centers can actually provide? None of the awards on NW, CO, KL that show available on KVS are actually there on DL. Moreover, DL flights do not show up. Any ideas?

Thanks,
A.
abrelosojos is offline  
Old Jan 24, 2008, 12:35 pm
  #1787  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: DAL
Posts: 3,400
I have to question the Galileo/Apollo and Worlspan availability for CA and FM. No matter what day I enter all their flights to any destination seem to be wide open. However using Sabre it seems like a more realistic result.

Last edited by ual744777sta; Jan 24, 2008 at 12:37 pm Reason: Grammar
ual744777sta is offline  
Old Jan 24, 2008, 10:08 pm
  #1788  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Manhattan Beach, California
Programs: BMI Diamond Club Gold forever
Posts: 6,367
NW's system does a terrible job with DL award space. I am an AS MP member and I use the AS award tool to find DL availability and then call NW and have them book the segments manually. DL actually seems to have quite good availability for NW and AS members, but I hear DL FFs complain all the time about lack of availability.

Originally Posted by abrelosojos
Is anyone else having a problem with what NWA spits out and what DL call centers can actually provide? None of the awards on NW, CO, KL that show available on KVS are actually there on DL. Moreover, DL flights do not show up. Any ideas?

Thanks,
A.
stephem is offline  
Old Jan 27, 2008, 7:04 am
  #1789  
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum
Posts: 9,580
My sister-in-law is still planning to go to DEL from YOW in March, and come back a few weeks later. Her dates are flexible. She wants to book the cheapest fare ticket.

It seems that Continental may offer the cheapest fare (subject to availability), taking account taxes and fees, and taking account that one does not need to change airlines. The only disadvantage is that one has to transit via USA (in both directions).

It seems from sabre/ZUJ (see below) that TLON5CE is it the cheapest fare. The question is how to find the dates with the availability with this cheapest fare.

One can try to go to one of the 4 availability methods, and find the T booking code. However, there are 2 problems with that - one has to manually enter every date in a row, and the T booking code does not take account that there are 2 fare bases for that booking code. Is there any simple way to get booking code availability over several dates, all at once? Is there any way to get the availibility of the right fare basis, and again for several dates at one time (and if not, at least one date at one time)?

Then I try sabre dot/res - the cheapest fare I can find is TJON5CE - and its fare is quoted as CAN$1338, The cheaper T fare is not quoted, and this T fare shows a higher fare quote than that on Sabre/ZUJ - does the ZUJ method quote base fares, and the DOTRES method quote total fare, including taxes and fees? Again, this method does not tell me how to find the fare, directly, over a large number of dates, all at once?

To put my question all in one sentence, I am trying to figure out how to most efficiently, find the cheapest fares on this (or any other airline) from A to B (return), over a wide range of dates? It would be nice if this can be done in a one step process (for all dates viewed, all at once), for each of the methods one uses - realizing that I may have to use several methods in sequence (as you indicated in the FAQs at the beginning of this thread)?



[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/ZUJ/SG/CAD]
Code:
YOW  Ottawa Metro / Ottawa Int'l ON CA = YOW [CYOW]
DEL  Delhi Indira Gandhi Int'l IN [VIDP]
RT   Jan-Dec

Carrier   From   To   Fare      Cur  Expiry    Min  Max  Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------- 
CO        YOW    DEL      894   CAD                 12M  TL0N5CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1045   CAD                 12M  TJ0N5CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1106   CAD                 12M  SL0N4CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1153   CAD                 12M  SK0N5CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1256   CAD                 12M  SJ0N4CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1317   CAD                 12M  SL0N3CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1343   CAD                 12M  SH0N2CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1364   CAD                 12M  QK0N4CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1468   CAD                 12M  QJ0N3CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1529   CAD                 12M  QL0N2CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1554   CAD                 12M  QH0N1CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1575   CAD                 12M  QK0N3CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1680   CAD                 12M  VJ0N2CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1726   CAD                 12M  VQ0N5CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1767   CAD                 12M  VH0N5CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1787   CAD                 12M  VK0N2CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1938   CAD                 12M  BQ0N4CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1952   CAD                 12M  BL0N1CE
CO        YOW    DEL     1978   CAD                 12M  BH0N3CE
CO        YOW    DEL     2103   CAD                 12M  BJ0N1CE
CO        YOW    DEL     2149   CAD                 12M  BQ0N3CE
CO        YOW    DEL     2210   CAD                 12M  BK0N1CE
CO        YOW    DEL     2301   CAD                 12M  MLO0NCE
CO        YOW    DEL     2360   CAD                 12M  MQ0N2CE
CO        YOW    DEL     2400   CAD                 12M  MH0N4CE
CO        YOW    DEL     2525   CAD                 12M  MJO0NCE
CO        YOW    DEL     2654   CAD                 12M  MKO0NCE
CO        YOW    DEL     2784   CAD                      HQ0N1CE
CO        YOW    DEL     2868   CAD                      HHO0NCE
CO        YOW    DEL     2890   CAD            Sun   1M  RR30APE
CO        YOW    DEL     3256   CAD                      HQO0NCE
CO        YOW    DEL     3599   CAD            Sun   6M  RLX7P18
FlyerGoldII is offline  
Old Jan 27, 2008, 7:48 am
  #1790  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: BOM-SIN-EWR
Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat
Posts: 8,606
Try plugging in dates into the CO website and see what comes up...else, use the ITA Software tool at: http://matrix.itasoftware.com/cvg/dispatch/prego
SuperFlyBoy is offline  
Old Jan 27, 2008, 9:48 am
  #1791  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pennsylvania
Programs: AA Platinum Pro, AC *S, Marriott Gold Elite, Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 9,689
In your situation, Sabre Dot Res is a better tool to use. Zuji will list all fares that are published. Sabre will only list the ones that apply for the dates you enter. For example, suppose there were 4 fares

AAAAA
AAAAB
AAAAC
AAAAD

And you wanted to travel dep mon ret the next thu. It is possible that AAAAA only allows weekend departures, AAAAB only allows travel May-Aug, and AAAAC has a 14 day minimum stay. This would leave you with only AAAAD. The fare that shows up on DotRes will be the cheapest applicable T fare for your dates considering the rules.

Cheers,
sadiqhassan is offline  
Old Jan 27, 2008, 8:33 pm
  #1792  
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum
Posts: 9,580
Originally Posted by sadiqhassan
In your situation, Sabre Dot Res is a better tool to use. Zuji will list all fares that are published. Sabre will only list the ones that apply for the dates you enter. For example, suppose there were 4 fares

AAAAA
AAAAB
AAAAC
AAAAD

And you wanted to travel dep mon ret the next thu. It is possible that AAAAA only allows weekend departures, AAAAB only allows travel May-Aug, and AAAAC has a 14 day minimum stay. This would leave you with only AAAAD. The fare that shows up on DotRes will be the cheapest applicable T fare for your dates considering the rules.

Cheers,
Thanks.
FlyerGoldII is offline  
Old Jan 27, 2008, 8:36 pm
  #1793  
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum
Posts: 9,580
Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
Try plugging in dates into the CO website and see what comes up...else, use the ITA Software tool at: http://matrix.itasoftware.com/cvg/dispatch/prego
The CO web site has the advantage that you can see (at once) the fares for the requested day +/- 3 days - which means you can see the fare for 1 week, for both departures and for arrival - all at once. To my knowledge, neither the KVS tool, nor ITA, allows for that option? - which is the question that I am posing to KVS.
FlyerGoldII is offline  
Old Jan 28, 2008, 4:45 pm
  #1794  
KVS
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 12,949
Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
To put my question all in one sentence, I am trying to figure out how to most efficiently, find the cheapest fares on this (or any other airline) from A to B (return), over a wide range of dates? It would be nice if this can be done in a one step process (for all dates viewed, all at once), for each of the methods one uses - realizing that I may have to use several methods in sequence (as you indicated in the FAQs at the beginning of this thread)?
If you are looking for the easiest/fastest way, you can use the month-long flight search feature of the ITA. If you want more accuracy and precision, take a look at the KVS Tool FAQ for keyboard shortcuts that can considerably speed-up availability checks for consecutive dates ...
KVS is offline  
Old Jan 28, 2008, 4:48 pm
  #1795  
KVS
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 12,949
Originally Posted by ual744777sta
I have to question the Galileo/Apollo and Worlspan availability for CA and FM. No matter what day I enter all their flights to any destination seem to be wide open. However using Sabre it seems like a more realistic result.
Certain airlines (esp. those based in Asia) do not maintain accurate availability in all GDS systems, so what you have described is very possible...
KVS is offline  
Old Feb 3, 2008, 8:42 am
  #1796  
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Programs: Aeroplan SE AND 1MM, HHonors Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Platinum , L'Accor Platinum
Posts: 9,580
Originally Posted by KVS
If you are looking for the easiest/fastest way, you can use the month-long flight search feature of the ITA. If you want more accuracy and precision, take a look at the KVS Tool FAQ for keyboard shortcuts that can considerably speed-up availability checks for consecutive dates ...
This is what I see from the FAQ:

Q: Is there a way to request availability across multiple dates? What if I am looking for a specific class (or classes)?

A: Not directly, but you can use the <Ctrl> + <PgDown> keyboard shortcut to quickly check availability for subsequent dates. If you are looking for availability in a specific class (or classes), you may also wish to do this in conjunction with the appropriate [Filter] options.

However, expertflyer apparently (I do not subscribe to it) does allow a simultaneous display of all data (awards, upgrades etc) on the requested date +/- 3 days (ie one week in total). In a future upgrade, do plan to add this feature to the KVS tool? See "flexibile search" feature of expert flyer (link: http://www.expertflyer.com/rates.jsp).

Last edited by FlyerGoldII; Feb 3, 2008 at 8:49 am
FlyerGoldII is offline  
Old Feb 3, 2008, 5:26 pm
  #1797  
KVS
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 12,949
Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
However, expertflyer apparently (I do not subscribe to it) does allow a simultaneous display of all data (awards, upgrades etc) on the requested date +/- 3 days (ie one week in total). In a future upgrade, do plan to add this feature to the KVS tool?
This is certainly a possibility for one of the future versions. However, it is important to keep in mind that any perceived time savings are negated by the fact that a +/- 3 day search requires 7 separate queries to the system (1 per each date) and will, therefore, take 7 times as long to execute ...
KVS is offline  
Old Feb 4, 2008, 5:08 pm
  #1798  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Houston, TX
Programs: CO Silver, HHonors Gold..I know I have a long way to go..
Posts: 36
Question Is the fare listed in KVS for DotRes the total fare or excludes taxes

I am trying find fares between LAX and BOM using KVS Fares/DotRes and following fare is the cheapest:

LAX Los Angeles Int'l CA US [KLAX]
BOM Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji IN [VABB]
TUE 01 Apr 2008 / THU 10 Jul 2008 / RT

Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------
SQ LAX BOM 1100 USD VLMP

The more costly fare is as follows:

Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------
SQ LAX BOM 1320 USD VLPO
SQ LAX BOM 1425 USD VLMA


Now the booking classes for both fares are V and I read thru the rules for both fares and they were the same.
Then why is there a difference between these fares and also are these the total fares or do they exclude taxes?

----I am new to this and trying to learn so please dont flame if I have asked something obvious to lot of you-----
otambalkar is offline  
Old Feb 4, 2008, 6:03 pm
  #1799  
KVS
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 12,949
Originally Posted by otambalkar
I am trying find fares between LAX and BOM using KVS Fares/DotRes and following fare is the cheapest:

LAX Los Angeles Int'l CA US [KLAX]
BOM Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji IN [VABB]
TUE 01 Apr 2008 / THU 10 Jul 2008 / RT

Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------
SQ LAX BOM 1100 USD VLMP

The more costly fare is as follows:

Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------
SQ LAX BOM 1320 USD VLPO
SQ LAX BOM 1425 USD VLMA


Now the booking classes for both fares are V and I read thru the rules for both fares and they were the same. Then why is there a difference between these fares
The differences are in the [DAY/TIME] restrictions, effective date, and the routing.


Originally Posted by otambalkar
and also are these the total fares or do they exclude taxes?
Pls see http://kvs.unrealnetwork.com/Tool/FAQ.php#FAQ
KVS is offline  
Old Feb 4, 2008, 7:04 pm
  #1800  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: BOM-SIN-EWR
Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat
Posts: 8,606
Originally Posted by otambalkar
I am trying find fares between LAX and BOM using KVS Fares/DotRes and following fare is the cheapest:

LAX Los Angeles Int'l CA US [KLAX]
BOM Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji IN [VABB]
TUE 01 Apr 2008 / THU 10 Jul 2008 / RT

Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------
SQ LAX BOM 1100 USD VLMP

The more costly fare is as follows:

Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------
SQ LAX BOM 1320 USD VLPO
SQ LAX BOM 1425 USD VLMA


Now the booking classes for both fares are V and I read thru the rules for both fares and they were the same.
Then why is there a difference between these fares and also are these the total fares or do they exclude taxes?

----I am new to this and trying to learn so please dont flame if I have asked something obvious to lot of you-----
The first one is a great fare for SQ, provided that the rules pertain to your travel!

However, you probably will not earn miles on this fare...
SuperFlyBoy is offline  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.