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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am
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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
...
You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Nov 18, 2007, 2:55 am
  #1666  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: BOM-SIN-EWR
Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat
Posts: 8,606
Hi KVS,

On the below routing rules:

What does PTC stand for?

FT? (other than FlyerTalk! )

GI?

Is there a glossary you can create for the abbreviations??

Thanks!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++

"CMBNYC-AI 18NOV07 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0001 RULE 2125
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *

FARE BASIS LKR NUC PTC FT GI
J 93300 823.86 ADT NL AT
J/CH25 70000 617.89 CNN NL AT
J/CH25 70000 617.89 INS NL AT
J 93300 823.86 UNN NL AT
J/IN90 9400 82.38 INF NL AT
J 93300 823.86 UNN NL AT

BOOKING CODES J
FIRST TRAVEL - 1APR07
SEASONS - NO RESTRICTION
PENALTIES - NONE
DAY/TIME - NO RESTRICTION
ADV RES/TKT - NO RESTRICTION
MIN STAY - NO RESTRICTION
MAX STAY - NO RESTRICTION
BLACKOUTS - NO RESTRICTION
SURCHARGES - NONE
STOPOVERS - PERMITTED-UNLIMITED
TRANSFERS - NO RESTRICTION
FLT APPLIC - MUST NOT BE VIA AI FLT 140-141 FLT
8000-8999AA FLT 5600-8399CO FLT 4900-
9999NW FLT 2000-2600 FLT 3800-5599 FLT
5980-9999TZ FLT 4000-9999UA FLT 1700-
5199 FLT 8100-9999 IF TO/FROM INDIA
FURTHER RESTR APPLY SEE TEXT RULE
CHILD DISC - CNN 2-11 YRS 25 PCT ACCOMPANIED
INS UNDER 2 YRS 25 PCT WITH SEAT
INF UNDER 2 YRS 90 PCT NO SEAT
OTHER DISC - DISCOUNTS ARE PERMITTED.
COMBINABLTY - SEE TEXT RULE
ELIGIBILITY - NO RESTRICTION
ACCOM PSGR - NO RESTRICTION
TRVL RESTR - NO RESTRICTION
SALES RESTR - FURTHER RESTR APPLY SEE RULE TEXT
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER
GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER. CONTACT
CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
NEGOTIATED - NO RESTRICTION
TKT ENDORSE - NO RESTRICTION
APPLICATION - SEE TEXT RULE
TOUR DISC - SEE TEXT RULE
AGENT DISC - SEE TEXT RULE
MPM - AT 10816 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - BU - BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG
ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED"

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++
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Old Nov 18, 2007, 6:33 am
  #1667  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Making my way to Bermuda...
Posts: 3
FARE BASIS LKR NUC PTC FT GI
J 93300 823.86 ADT NL AT
J/CH25 70000 617.89 CNN NL AT
J/CH25 70000 617.89 INS NL AT
J 93300 823.86 UNN NL AT
J/IN90 9400 82.38 INF NL AT
J 93300 823.86 UNN NL AT
PTC are the Passenger Type Codes:

ADT=Adult
CNN=Accompanied Child
INS=Infant with a Seat

etc. See http://www.galileo.com/emea/uk/formats/EN_GF_M.htm for a full list.
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Old Nov 18, 2007, 10:21 pm
  #1668  
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
I'm thinking of switching to the XP-based Tablet Edition - Would KVS work?
Sure.
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Old Nov 19, 2007, 7:57 pm
  #1669  
KVS
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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Posts: 12,949
Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
Hi KVS,

On the below routing rules:

What does PTC stand for?

FT? (other than FlyerTalk! )

GI?

Is there a glossary you can create for the abbreviations??

Thanks!
Definitions for the above terms have now been added to the KVS Tool FAQ, Part 3: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...45#post2804945
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Old Nov 20, 2007, 8:07 pm
  #1670  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Making my way to Bermuda...
Posts: 3
Does version 3.0.0 have functionality to find the ticketed-point mileage deductions for MPM fares?
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Old Nov 20, 2007, 9:02 pm
  #1671  
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Originally Posted by donjoff
Does version 3.0.0 have functionality to find the ticketed-point mileage deductions for MPM fares?
I was not able to determine that yet. If there is a specific fare, for which you know that a TPM deduction exists, pls let me know and I will try to look into it further.
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 5:03 pm
  #1672  
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KRK
Programs: UA 1MM, BA GGL, Hyatt Glob, Hilton Diamond and others
Posts: 12,690
Question
I was checking upgrade awards on UA.
KVS showed me this
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.1/Platinum - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA]
Code:
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Int'l IL US [KORD]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
MON  07 Jan 2008 / 1 Seat

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C       Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ------------- 
UA        958    ORD  16:18     LHR  05:55 +1  777       FS-  CS-  YS-
UA        928    ORD  18:05     LHR  07:55 +1  777       FS+  CS-  YS-
UA        938    ORD  21:14     LHR  11:00 +1  777       FS-  CS+  YS-
UA        922    ORD  06:00     LHR  22:00     CHG       FS+  CS-  YS-
while seatcounter told me
UA958 is I9/X1
UA 938 is I9/X0
UA928 is I8/X4

.bomb told me
UA958 is NC9/NF1
UA 938 is NC9/NF0
UA928 is NC8/NF4

so seatcounter and .bomb agree, but KVS doesnt...
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 5:12 pm
  #1673  
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Originally Posted by jason8612
so seatcounter and .bomb agree, but KVS doesnt...
There have been numerous reports of both of those sources providing inaccurate data -- see, for example, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=751436
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 5:16 pm
  #1674  
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Posts: 12,690
also is there a way to look up a specific fare basis? like the MA one?
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 8:20 pm
  #1675  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: BOM-SIN-EWR
Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat
Posts: 8,606
Originally Posted by jason8612
Question
I was checking upgrade awards on UA.
KVS showed me this
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.1/Platinum - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA]
Code:
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Int'l IL US [KORD]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
MON  07 Jan 2008 / 1 Seat

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C       Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ------------- 
UA        958    ORD  16:18     LHR  05:55 +1  777       FS-  CS-  YS-
UA        928    ORD  18:05     LHR  07:55 +1  777       FS+  CS-  YS-
UA        938    ORD  21:14     LHR  11:00 +1  777       FS-  CS+  YS-
UA        922    ORD  06:00     LHR  22:00     CHG       FS+  CS-  YS-
while seatcounter told me
UA958 is I9/X1
UA 938 is I9/X0
UA928 is I8/X4

.bomb told me
UA958 is NC9/NF1
UA 938 is NC9/NF0
UA928 is NC8/NF4

so seatcounter and .bomb agree, but KVS doesnt...
You have to take into account what UA themselves is providing to their own members (showing in .bomb, possibly also SeatCounter, if they have access to UA's database), in stark contrast to the Star Alliance *award* availability, which United offers to *outside* partners, such as NH in this specific case, which is where KVS is linked to, in order to check for award availability.

This is exactly why certain airlines show availability in KVS (ANA Star Alliance award availability), but UA cannot get access to those seats, if the airlines are not providing United with those award seats.
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 8:37 pm
  #1676  
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Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy
You have to take into account what UA themselves is providing to their own members (showing in .bomb, possibly also SeatCounter, if they have access to UA's database), in stark contrast to the Star Alliance *award* availability, which United offers to *outside* partners, such as NH in this specific case, which is where KVS is linked to, in order to check for award availability.

This is exactly why certain airlines show availability in KVS (ANA Star Alliance award availability), but UA cannot get access to those seats, if the airlines are not providing United with those award seats.
Actually, no. It's UA, which is filtering-out StarNet availability for other carriers (to encourage their members to redeem on UA flights instead).
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 8:51 pm
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Originally Posted by jason8612
....so seatcounter and .bomb agree, but KVS doesnt...
Seatcounter gets its data from .bomb. They are always the same.
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by jason8612
also is there a way to look up a specific fare basis? like the MA one?
This feature is not yet publicly available, but I tested it yesterday to get the fare rules for the MA fare: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...&postcount=137
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 8:57 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
This feature is not yet publicly available, but I tested it yesterday to get the fare rules for the MA fare: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...&postcount=137
I know, I saw it and something like that would be real nice. Hope it will be added soon
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Old Nov 22, 2007, 9:22 pm
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I was wondering how you brought up those fare rules... try as I could I couldn't get the right fare code to show up in DotRes or ZUJ methods.
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