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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
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https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
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https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
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https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
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https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
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You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

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You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
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https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
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https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
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https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
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https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
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https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
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https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
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https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
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https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
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https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
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https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
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https://www.flysas.com
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https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
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https://www.lot.com
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https://www.lufthansa.com
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https://www.routehappy.com/
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https://www.swiss.com
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https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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https://www.tripple.jp
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
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https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
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https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
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https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
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https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
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http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
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http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
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http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
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http://www.flightradar24.com/
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http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
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http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 8:09 am
  #1621  
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
if I want a combined fare on 2 connecting flights - and I want to get the fare by manually adding the 2 segments - the aircanada.ca/com web site will only add the individual segment fares, not combined them (even for the same booking codes/fare classes).
That's not alway true. I booked SEA-YOW as a multi-city, SEA-YYZ/YYZ-YOW and the final fare quoted was combined, not added. I know this because the final fare was the same as SEA-YYZ itself (ie: YOW and YYZ were common-rated on this route from SEA and the booking engine handled this properly). However, you may need to try the various combinations (when I booked SEA-YVR/YVR-YOW then it the booking engine just added the two fares).
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Correct.
They seemed to have solved the problem here: Availability tool /AC "I" class / Star alliance seats
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
What exactly do you mean by that?
Let me give the true example. If the cheapest published fare on AC from YOW to YVR (one way) is (let us say) $450. Let us say that the one way fare from YOW to YYZ is $200, and the one way fare from YYZ to YVR is also $400. Let us say that Sabre does not give a particular YOW-YYZ-YVR flight combination automatically (as is often the case with aircanada.com) - let us say that one has to input the 2 segments manually. The aircanada.ca web site often adds up the fares (ie $200 + $400), rather than giving a combined fare of $450. Would either of the sabre access methods add the fare (eg $600) vs combining the fare (eg $450).

Let us now give the example for YOW-DEL. The cheapest return AC fare is $1150+ (in March). Let us say the return BOS-DEL fare on LX (a real example) next March is about $650. Let us say the return AC fare between YOW-BOS is $250. If I try to enter the segments manually, assuming those are combinable fares, would either of the Sabre access methods add the fares (ie $250 + $650), or give a combinable fare closer to $650, or give a combinable fare closer to $1150 (the return fare if one flies on AC - metal or codeshare - all the way).
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 8:41 pm
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Is there any way to see Copa (CM) reward availability?

And, related to that, any way to incorporate it into the Skyteam award search? (They are an associate member.) I've been told they use the same reward classes as CO...
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 8:56 pm
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Originally Posted by perezoso
Is there any way to see Copa (CM) reward availability?

And, related to that, any way to incorporate it into the Skyteam award search? (They are an associate member.) I've been told they use the same reward classes as CO...
It appears that CM is already a part of the SkyTeam Award Search, e.g.:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.9.2/Platinum - ITA: Awards/SkyTeam/JP-NWA]
Code:
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA
PTY  Panama City Tocumen Int'l PA [MPTO]
SAT  01 Dec 2007 / 1 Seat

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C       Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------------- 
CO/CM     9079   JFK  05:31     PTY  10:46               CS+ CA-  YS- YA+
CO        887    EWR  17:15     PTY  22:32               CS- CA+  YS- YA+
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 9:12 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
Let us now give the example for YOW-DEL. The cheapest return AC fare is $1150+ (in March). Let us say the return BOS-DEL fare on LX (a real example) next March is about $650. Let us say the return AC fare between YOW-BOS is $250. If I try to enter the segments manually, assuming those are combinable fares, would either of the Sabre access methods add the fares (ie $250 + $650), or give a combinable fare closer to $650, or give a combinable fare closer to $1150 (the return fare if one flies on AC - metal or codeshare - all the way).
As with most computer systems, the Tool will give you exactly what you ask it for, no more, and no less. If you ask for a YOW-DEL fare, it will give you exactly that -- a YOW-DEL fare ($1150). All fares are filed by the respective airlines (or their authorized agents), and the Tool does not modify those fares in any way.

Also, there is no such thing as "a combinable fare [(singular)] closer to $650", series of combinable fares. If you "try to enter the segments manually" and request fares for YOW-BOS and BOS-DEL separately, then you will get exactly that.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 10:27 pm
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Is there a way we can view 'routings' or MPM info for a fare using KVS?
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 10:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Argonaut1000
Is there a way we can view 'routings' or MPM info for a fare using KVS?
It is coming in the next version. Here is a sample:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.9.2/Platinum - WSpan: YTO-LON/AC/S0MSXL/262 USD]
Code:
MPM - AT  4278 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - XPX - INSTANT PURCHASE FARE
ROUTING  301 FROM-TO  YTO-YMQ-YYT-YOW-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-YMQ-YYT-AC-YHZ-YYT-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-YMQ-YYT-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-YOW-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-AC-YHZ-YYT-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-YMQ-YHZ-YYT-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-YYT-YOW-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-YYT-AC-YHZ-YYT-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-YYT-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-YOW-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-AC-YHZ-YYT-LON*
FROM-TO  YTO-LON*
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 5:29 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
As with most computer systems, the Tool will give you exactly what you ask it for, no more, and no less. If you ask for a YOW-DEL fare, it will give you exactly that -- a YOW-DEL fare ($1150). All fares are filed by the respective airlines (or their authorized agents), and the Tool does not modify those fares in any way.

Also, there is no such thing as "a combinable fare [(singular)] closer to $650", series of combinable fares. If you "try to enter the segments manually" and request fares for YOW-BOS and BOS-DEL separately, then you will get exactly that.

Thanks, for the info.

What about my example of YOW-YYZ followed by YYZ-YVR? If the sabre access (or aircanada.ca) methods do not give me a particular combination of the 2 segments that I am interested in, would the combined fare (of the 2 segments) be equal to the single fare that is displayed for YOW-YVR?
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 9:54 am
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Error from Sabre: Fares/ZUJ method

This morning, I started receiving an error message from the
'Fares/ZUJ' method when POS is set to SG or HK.
I get this same error no matter which From/To combinations I select:
Unable to Retrieve Fares:
"We cannot process your request."
"ASYNC query failed (rc eq 0). STBError: SABRE: FQ-VERIFY SELLING DAT
errno=05009999 reply=<SABRE: FQ-VERIFY SELLING DAT><"

It seems that when POS is set to NZ or AU, I can retrieve fare information.

Thanks,
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by plj496
This morning, I started receiving an error message from the 'Fares/ZUJ' method when POS is set to SG or HK.

It seems that when POS is set to NZ or AU, I can retrieve fare information.
It's a bug in the ZUJ engine, which manifests itself for a few hours on the last day of each month (like today)...
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
It appears that CM is already a part of the SkyTeam Award Search
Hmmm.... not really, at least as far as I can tell.

I've been trying reward itin searches originating in MEX, PTY, and BOG and I can't pull any CM flights on a number of dates. The flights exist; but they don't show up on the reward search.

Is it possible that only some CM flights show? Looks to me like it might only be codeshares with CO. For example try a reward search to a non-US Copa destination out of PTY (e.g. PTY-BOG, PTY-MEX, PTY-GUA).

Incidentally, I have similar problems with AM international flights not originating or terminating in the US.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
Thanks, for the info.

What about my example of YOW-YYZ followed by YYZ-YVR? If the sabre access (or aircanada.ca) methods do not give me a particular combination of the 2 segments that I am interested in, would the combined fare (of the 2 segments) be equal to the single fare that is displayed for YOW-YVR?
Again, your question is not very clear. AirCanada.ca displays flight combinations and then prices them. The Tool's [Fares] methods display fares, and not "combinations of segments". Fares from YOW-YYZ and YYZ-YVR are fully independent from YOW-YVR fares.
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Old Oct 31, 2007 | 11:31 pm
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Originally Posted by perezoso
Is it possible that only some CM flights show? Looks to me like it might only be codeshares with CO.
Yes, that's certainly possible.

Originally Posted by perezoso
Incidentally, I have similar problems with AM international flights not originating or terminating in the US.
This seems to work though:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.9.2/Platinum - ITA: Awards/SkyTeam/JP-NWA]
Code:
MEX  Mexico City Juarez Int'l MX [MMMX]
TIJ  Tijuana Rodriguez MX [MMTJ]
SAT  01 Dec 2007 / 1 Seat

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C       Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------------- 
AM        170    MEX  07:00     TIJ  08:40               CS+ CA-  YS+ YA-
[KVS Availability Tool 2.9.2/Platinum - ITA: Awards/SkyTeam/JP-NWA]
Code:
MEX  Mexico City Juarez Int'l MX [MMMX]
SCL  Santiago Arturo Merino Benitez CL [SCEL]
THU  03 Apr 2008 / 1 Seat

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C       Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ---------------- 
AM        1010   MEX  15:00     SCL  03:50               CS- CA-  YS+ YA-
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Old Nov 1, 2007 | 6:48 am
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All the screens above show a 2.9.2 revision. My version is 2.9.1 and when I try to do an update the system says I have the latest.
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