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Please submit technical support and customer service requests directly to KVS through their website.
FlyerTalk is not KVS' customer assistance venue.
The primary purpose of the Travel Tools forum is to benefit the entire FlyerTalk community.
Anything related to the KVS Availability Tool may be discussed here, including member to member requests for troubleshooting.


Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.Note: To edit the wikipost, please contact the moderator by sending an alert or a private message.


Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
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http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRe..._lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
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https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
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https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
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https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
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https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
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https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:
http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/...rms-conditions

All Materials on this website, the appearance, organisation and layout of this website, the underlying software code and the underlying data are subject to trade marks, copyright, database rights and other registered and unregistered intellectual property rights which are owned either directly by Us or by Our licensors.

Unless otherwise authorised within these Terms and Conditions, You must not copy, modify, alter, publish, broadcast, distribute, sell or transfer (whether in whole or in part) any Material on this website or the underlying software code or underlying data.
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Your access to this website is on a temporary basis, and we reserve the right to withdraw, restrict or amend the services accessibly to You on the website without notice at our absolute discretion.

You may only use this website in accordance with these Terms and Conditions and, in any event, for lawful and proper purposes which includes complying with all applicable laws, regulations and codes of practice within the UK or other jurisdiction from which You are accessing this website. Except as expressly permitted by Us, You shall not use this website for any purpose.

In particular, You agree that, You must not:

post, transmit or disseminate any information on or via this website which is or may be harmful, obscene, defamatory or otherwise illegal;
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https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
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3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
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https://www.flysas.com
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https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
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https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

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https://www.routehappy.com/
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https://www.swiss.com
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https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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https://www.tripple.jp
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
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https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
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https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
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https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
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http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
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http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
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http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
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http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
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http://www.flightradar24.com/
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http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
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http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Old Feb 13, 2018, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Stefan Sip
Can KVS search for UA R-space upgrade availability? If so, how do I search for it?
UA does not publish its R-Class Availability, so it is not searchable via any tool or service.

For a list of supported Award/Upgrade Booking Classes, please consult the UA section of the KVS Tool User Guide.
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Old Feb 19, 2018, 8:13 am
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TG202 on Apr 6.

Been trying to look at the seat map in econ for the past 2 months but keep on coming up "Seat map is unavailable or closed". Anyone know why?

I was able to do it for a similar TG flight back in Oct.
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Old Feb 20, 2018, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by seks
TG202 on Apr 6.

Been trying to look at the seat map in econ for the past 2 months but keep on coming up "Seat map is unavailable or closed". Anyone know why?

I was able to do it for a similar TG flight back in Oct.
I would say its more unusual that you were able to do it previously.
TG seatmaps are typically unavailable for domestic flights...on HKT flights I would say the chance of aircraft swap is very high so they never allow management of seat allocation online etc.
So this isn't a KVS issue...it's a TG 'thing'.
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Old Feb 21, 2018, 6:52 am
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There's a few quirks I've noticed on the KVS timetable search where some results aren't showing through. Any ideas on what's happening?

1. Some legal connections don't seem to show up. I've come across this a few times E.g. LAD-DXB-LIS on EK, DLA-ADD-FRA on ET, MAO-PTY-POS on CM etc.
Could it be that these are all connections that significantly exceed the direct routing mileage and are therefore edited out of the results? Even if the airlines themselves publish and sell fares on these markets?

2. Some airports seem to not be available at all. DSS for instance, the new airport in Dakar yields a "the requested origin is invalid" result even if most (all?) airlines have moved operations from DKR
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Old Feb 22, 2018, 1:43 am
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Originally Posted by Cyba
There's a few quirks I've noticed on the KVS timetable search where some results aren't showing through. Any ideas on what's happening?

1. Some legal connections don't seem to show up. I've come across this a few times E.g. LAD-DXB-LIS on EK, DLA-ADD-FRA on ET, MAO-PTY-POS on CM etc.
Could it be that these are all connections that significantly exceed the direct routing mileage and are therefore edited out of the results? Even if the airlines themselves publish and sell fares on these markets?

2. Some airports seem to not be available at all. DSS for instance, the new airport in Dakar yields a "the requested origin is invalid" result even if most (all?) airlines have moved operations from DKR
All you get is what you pay for. If you pay thieves, all you get is stolen goods. And that's exactly what you're doing and getting from KVS... Honestly, if I was you, I would be happy that I was getting at least something Potentially, KVS could disappear completely any moment and you would not have any recourse... It has been well known for years that the company is fraudulent and uses fraudulent if not illegal methods. I cannot believe that people are still paying money to this scum...
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Old Feb 22, 2018, 3:13 am
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Originally Posted by vbroucek
All you get is what you pay for. If you pay thieves, all you get is stolen goods. And that's exactly what you're doing and getting from KVS... Honestly, if I was you, I would be happy that I was getting at least something Potentially, KVS could disappear completely any moment and you would not have any recourse... It has been well known for years that the company is fraudulent and uses fraudulent if not illegal methods. I cannot believe that people are still paying money to this scum...
I am well aware of these discussions about KVS. But i fail to see how your reply is in any way relevant to the question asked. Or that my question warrants your response. Wherever the data may come from, these results that i'm reporting are somewhat bizarre so presumably the underlying databases are also faulty. Unless you're suggesting that KVS is modifying the results to mess with us?

But since you seem quite knowledgable on these matters, can you perhaps help me by pointing out alternative tools that allow easy timetable searches? Expertflyer, which I also subscribe to, for instance, is in my experience, highly inadequate... for timetable searches.
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Old Feb 22, 2018, 5:07 am
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Originally Posted by Cyba
1. Some legal connections don't seem to show up. I've come across this a few times E.g. LAD-DXB-LIS on EK, DLA-ADD-FRA on ET, MAO-PTY-POS on CM etc.
Could it be that these are all connections that significantly exceed the direct routing mileage and are therefore edited out of the results? Even if the airlines themselves publish and sell fares on these markets?

2. Some airports seem to not be available at all. DSS for instance, the new airport in Dakar yields a "the requested origin is invalid" result even if most (all?) airlines have moved operations from DKR
1. KVS doesn't edit the results you see what the tool manages to scrape. Proper GDS access shows your 3 examples without issues:
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tnladlis/aek

TNLADLIS/AEK
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** LIS LISBON.PT                     22FEB18 01MAR18
 1   EK 794  247  LAD   DXB 3  1755    0435+1 0 CONNECT DXB     77L 
     EK 191  247  DXB 3 LIS 1  0725+1  1200+1 0 22FEB18 01MAR18 77W 19:05
NO MORE FLIGHTS  22FEB18  TO  01MAR18

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tndlafra/aet

TNDLAFRA/AET
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** FRA FRANKFURT.DE                  22FEB18 01MAR18
 1   ET 915  135  DLA   ADD    1440    2055   0 CONNECT ADD     788 
     ET 706  135  ADD 2 FRA 1  2340    0510+1 0 23FEB18 28FEB18 350 14:30
 2   ET 915  7    DLA   ADD    1440    2055   0 CONNECT ADD     789 
     ET 706  7    ADD 2 FRA 1  2340    0510+1 0 25FEB18 25FEB18 350 14:30
 3   ET 915  5    DLA   ADD    1440    2055   0 CONNECT ADD     788 
  LH:ET1577  5    ADD 2 FRA 1  2250    0630+1 1 23FEB18 23FEB18 330 15:50
 4   ET 915  7    DLA   ADD    1440    2055   0 CONNECT ADD     789 
  LH:ET1577  7    ADD 2 FRA 1  2250    0630+1 1 25FEB18 25FEB18 330 15:50
 5   ET 905  246  DLA   ADD    1235    2045   1 CONNECT ADD     788 
     ET 706  246  ADD 2 FRA 1  2340    0510+1 0 15FEB18 22MAR18 350 16:35
 6   ET 905  246  DLA   ADD    1235    2045   1 CONNECT ADD     788 
  LH:ET1577  246  ADD 2 FRA 1  2250    0630+1 1 22FEB18 01MAR18 330 17:55

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TNMAOPOS/ACM                                                                    
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** POS PORT OF SPAIN.TT              22FEB18 01MAR18  
** HY HYATT REGENCY TRINIDAD*NEWLY RENOVATED*FREE WIFI                          
** NEW ROOMS*DINING*SPA*PUBLIC SPACES*>HAHYPOSHRTDDMMM-1                        
 1   CM 140  17   MAO   PTY    0339    0619   0 CONNECT PTY     E90             
     CM 366  17   PTY   POS    1226    1626   0 25FEB18 26FEB18 E90 12:47       
 2G3:CM3684  4    MAO   GRU 2  0412    0910   0 CONNECT GRU     738             
     CM 700  4    GRU 2 PTY    1200    1705   0 CONNECT PTY     738             
     CM 314  4    PTY   POS    1914    2323   0 01MAR18 01MAR18 E90 19:11       
 3G3:CM3684  24   MAO   GRU 2  0412    0910   0 CONNECT GRU     738             
     CM 700  24   GRU 2 PTY    1200    1658   0 CONNECT PTY     738             
     CM 314  24   PTY   POS    1914    2323   0 20FEB18 27FEB18 E90 19:11
2. That needs to be updated in the 'tool' tables....
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Old Feb 22, 2018, 4:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Cyba
I am well aware of these discussions about KVS. But i fail to see how your reply is in any way relevant to the question asked.
You have asked "Some legal connections don't seem to show up..." and I clearly answered - it is because KVS is stealing data where ever they manage at given time and they simply do not have source of such data. Simple and clear answer, sorry you do not like it.

And for the second question - again, thieves did not bother yet updating their tables... You are paying for lemon, get over it...
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Old Feb 23, 2018, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by vbroucek
You have asked "Some legal connections don't seem to show up..." and I clearly answered - it is because KVS is stealing data where ever they manage at given time and they simply do not have source of such data. Simple and clear answer, sorry you do not like it.

And for the second question - again, thieves did not bother yet updating their tables... You are paying for lemon, get over it...
Not quite the case and I don't understand what your beef is here. Using the same KVS timetable function I can see the timetables for all of the sectors that i listed but only as separate queries. So i can see MAO-PTY and PTY-POS. But not MAO-POS. This has nothing to do with "stealing" or anything. It seems to me that this is some system limitation which i'm trying to understand.

Did you have any suggestions for alternative timetable searches? I'm genuinely keen to find some that are both user-friendly and reliable.
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Old Feb 23, 2018, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Cyba
Not quite the case and I don't understand what your beef is here. Using the same KVS timetable function I can see the timetables for all of the sectors that i listed but only as separate queries. So i can see MAO-PTY and PTY-POS. But not MAO-POS. This has nothing to do with "stealing" or anything. It seems to me that this is some system limitation which i'm trying to understand.

That supports what I (and also Oliver2002) said. KVS is scrapping tool, it does not build, calculate or edit anything. It displays whatever they manage to scape illegally from various engines. So they have source to scrape the sectors, but they don't have source to scrape full itinerary.

Originally Posted by Cyba
Did you have any suggestions for alternative timetable searches? I'm genuinely keen to find some that are both user-friendly and reliable.
I am lucky enough to have access to proper GDS, so no, I do not have any advice in this regard,
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Old Feb 23, 2018, 4:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Cyba
This has nothing to do with "stealing" or anything. It seems to me that this is some system limitation which i'm trying to understand.
This has EVERYTHING to do with stealing. The "limitation" is that the "vendor" you are paying, KVS, is stealing data and providing it -- without authorisation -- to you for fee. As others have demonstrated, with proper GDS access -- access that comes with a fee -- one can obtain what you are looking for. KVS does not seem to wish to pay for the data so KVS can nt provide it. Caveat emptor!
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Old Feb 25, 2018, 1:16 am
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Originally Posted by Cyba
There's a few quirks I've noticed on the KVS timetable search where some results aren't showing through. Any ideas on what's happening?

1. Some legal connections don't seem to show up. I've come across this a few times E.g. LAD-DXB-LIS on EK, DLA-ADD-FRA on ET, MAO-PTY-POS on CM etc.
Could it be that these are all connections that significantly exceed the direct routing mileage and are therefore edited out of the results? Even if the airlines themselves publish and sell fares on these markets?
Indeed, these routings are not logical:
Specifically, LAD-DXB-LIS is almost 175% of the MPM.

Therefore, they would not be shown by the [Timetable] Engine automatically.

As always, you can force any routing of your choice by searching segment-by-segment.
Alternatively, the [Availability] Engine can be forced to construct such routings by specifying an airline preference:



Originally Posted by Cyba
2. Some airports seem to not be available at all. DSS for instance, the new airport in Dakar yields a "the requested origin is invalid" result even if most (all?) airlines have moved operations from DKR
KVS Tool already supports the DSS airport (as of its opening date in Dec 2017), however it may take some time for the various external Engines to be updated. Please use the [Availability] function until the [Timetable] Engine gets updated.

As always, please contact us via the official support channels (website or e-mail) if you have questions or require assistance regarding the KVS Tool.
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Old Feb 27, 2018, 4:00 pm
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accusations of theft and fraud are far-fetched and have no basis in law or reality... at worst (and this is open to some debate) KVS is just a tool which enables its users to violate the terms-of-service of some of the relevant websites.

let's please keep such hyped accusations and noise to a minimum before the mods need to come in and clean things up once again...
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Old Feb 27, 2018, 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by lewinr
accusations of theft and fraud are far-fetched and have no basis in law or reality... at worst (and this is open to some debate) KVS is just a tool which enables its users to violate the terms-of-service of some of the relevant websites.
I'd say that at best if violates the TS. It is clearly scraping data in a manner that is totally inconsistent with the rules of the sources of that data. It is reselling that data. That is fraud. If you take a look at how the business behind this is concealed it becomes obvious that the owner clearly knows that. No legitimate business conceals itself like that.
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Old Mar 15, 2018, 5:22 pm
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KVS & KE

I have used KVS successfully for award availability for 3 RTWs, so I know a bit about it. Using an AF user for ST, I am searching for award availability for KE. I have found KE award availability as part of a multi-segment flight, but I can not find any award availability for any class from any US airport on many random dates during the next 3-6 months. What gives?
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