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Please submit technical support and customer service requests directly to KVS through their website.
FlyerTalk is not KVS' customer assistance venue.
The primary purpose of the Travel Tools forum is to benefit the entire FlyerTalk community.
Anything related to the KVS Availability Tool may be discussed here, including member to member requests for troubleshooting.


Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.Note: To edit the wikipost, please contact the moderator by sending an alert or a private message.


Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRe..._lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:
http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/...rms-conditions

All Materials on this website, the appearance, organisation and layout of this website, the underlying software code and the underlying data are subject to trade marks, copyright, database rights and other registered and unregistered intellectual property rights which are owned either directly by Us or by Our licensors.

Unless otherwise authorised within these Terms and Conditions, You must not copy, modify, alter, publish, broadcast, distribute, sell or transfer (whether in whole or in part) any Material on this website or the underlying software code or underlying data.
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Your access to this website is on a temporary basis, and we reserve the right to withdraw, restrict or amend the services accessibly to You on the website without notice at our absolute discretion.

You may only use this website in accordance with these Terms and Conditions and, in any event, for lawful and proper purposes which includes complying with all applicable laws, regulations and codes of practice within the UK or other jurisdiction from which You are accessing this website. Except as expressly permitted by Us, You shall not use this website for any purpose.

In particular, You agree that, You must not:

post, transmit or disseminate any information on or via this website which is or may be harmful, obscene, defamatory or otherwise illegal;
use ‘screen scraping’, any automated algorithm, device, method, system, software or manual process to access, use, search, copy, monitor or extract Material (in whole or in part) from or through using this website unless We have given Our express written agreement;
...

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Dec 23, 2022, 7:47 pm
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Join Date: Jun 2014
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hi!
i purchased an additional 12 months just for the temporary code to be sent to my new computer. sent a DM with the email
10 minutes, nothing so far.
Thanks!
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Old Dec 24, 2022, 11:07 am
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KVS its really false advertising to say that if you just purchase a renewal we'll get a temporary code, when that isn't the case. 15 hours still nothing.
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Old Dec 25, 2022, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by DrDrDr56
hi!
i purchased an additional 12 months just for the temporary code to be sent to my new computer. sent a DM with the email
10 minutes, nothing so far.
Thanks!
As noted on the KVS Tool website, GMail will not deliver automatically-issued Temporary Credentials.

We have now issued your code manually.
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Old Jan 19, 2023, 4:41 pm
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Glad to discover this thread,

Phew, i'll just browse Miles&More the vintage way...

Thanks everyone for posting your warnings/ experiences !
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Old Jan 19, 2023, 4:44 pm
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat
Posts: 8,606
Originally Posted by HadesNL
Glad to discover this thread,

Phew, i'll just browse Miles&More the vintage way...

Thanks everyone for posting your warnings/ experiences !
I have had no problems at all - other than slight delays at times with KVS...

In fact, using the Tool is *so much easier* than dealing with the M&M website or app (which uses the website ::facepalm:, which is hopeless - and they never fix it!
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Old Jan 23, 2023, 2:14 am
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Location: southUSA
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Is a download to a desktop/laptop required to become a KVS tool user? How can I do browser only?
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Old Jan 23, 2023, 2:17 am
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Programs: M&M SEN, Amex Plat, Club Carlson, Marriott, HHonors & Accor Gold, Velocity Silver, Qantas Bronze
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Originally Posted by michaelpowell44
Is a download to a desktop/laptop required to become a KVS tool user? How can I do browser only?
Yes, you need to download and install a program on your computer - must be Windows or lot of extra work if another platform.
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Old Jan 26, 2023, 12:32 pm
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Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: California
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Originally Posted by KVS
As noted on the KVS Tool website, GMail will not deliver automatically-issued Temporary Credentials.

We have now issued your code manually.
Why are these credentials being filtered by gmail?
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Old Jan 26, 2023, 4:57 pm
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Originally Posted by dubear
Why are these credentials being filtered by gmail?
I cannot answer for KVS but I do have my own experience where gmail - unlike many other mail providers - will restrict files with certain content from being delivered. It also detects if file extensions are changed to try to bypass restrictions and also looks inside zip files to see whether the files within the zip meet gmail's rules.
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Old Jan 26, 2023, 7:36 pm
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Originally Posted by dubear
Why are these credentials being filtered by gmail?
Maybe Gmail knows what a shonky business KVS is running? 🤣😂🤣😁

Originally Posted by golfmad
I cannot answer for KVS but I do have my own experience where gmail - unlike many other mail providers - will restrict files with certain content from being delivered. It also detects if file extensions are changed to try to bypass restrictions and also looks inside zip files to see whether the files within the zip meet gmail's rules.
Actually, when I was involved with Kevin (aka KVS) few years ago, he was using Gmail himself. Not sure what he is using nowadays though.
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Old Jan 27, 2023, 10:34 am
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I started using the KVS Tool this week. I used a non GMail adress and had no issues registering. However, I encountered some issues

- ANA Award search through partners only partially showed correct results. Checked with M&M/ AC / SQ (always wants Captchas!)
Sometimes I get a seat, sometimes shows no award availability
- Especially the Power Search does not work for me (or I don't know how to use it?). That would be a killer feature but he shows me no flights or just for one day even though I choose several days and I can see award availability (example SFO - HND)
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Old Jan 27, 2023, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Rabauke
I started using the KVS Tool this week. I used a non GMail adress and had no issues registering. However, I encountered some issues

- ANA Award search through partners only partially showed correct results. Checked with M&M/ AC / SQ (always wants Captchas!)
No CAPTCHAs for M&M and AC for me.

Yes, SQ always requires *multiple* CAPTCHAs.

Not using ANA award search - no point for me to do so - I use AC/M&M primarily - and it's mostly *much better* than having to log into Aeroplan's or M&M's websites...

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Old Jan 30, 2023, 10:32 am
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Originally Posted by vbroucek
Maybe Gmail knows what a shonky business KVS is running? 🤣😂🤣😁



Actually, when I was involved with Kevin (aka KVS) few years ago, he was using Gmail himself. Not sure what he is using nowadays though.
I know hotmail/outlook.com does something similar. Completely blocks (never shows in SPAM and the sender doesn't get a bounce-back either) for a lot of "verification" emails (ie, you create an account on some forum, it sends you an email verification link and you never get it). The one time I was able to get an admin (from the sending system) to look at the logs, it appeared that MS would reject/whack the connection if the email had "too many links/URL's" So I created a gmail account to get around that, but seems that Google is now doing something similar.

I know my Chase electronic statements periodically don't make it to Microsoft as I'm randomly getting snail mail from Chase saying they couldn't deliver to [email protected]
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Old Jan 30, 2023, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by hurnik
I know hotmail/outlook.com does something similar. Completely blocks (never shows in SPAM and the sender doesn't get a bounce-back either) for a lot of "verification" emails (ie, you create an account on some forum, it sends you an email verification link and you never get it). The one time I was able to get an admin (from the sending system) to look at the logs, it appeared that MS would reject/whack the connection if the email had "too many links/URL's" So I created a gmail account to get around that, but seems that Google is now doing something similar.

I know my Chase electronic statements periodically don't make it to Microsoft as I'm randomly getting snail mail from Chase saying they couldn't deliver to [email protected]
No, it doesn't work that way - I have been involved in administering mail servers including bulk mailing services (we were sending up to 200K mails a day) for some time and had to deal with Microsoft, Google, AWS, Yahoo and many others about that. It all depends on how well your mail server is set up (there are heaps of ways how to make sure your messages don't get dumped if you are legitimate business) and "reputation" of your servers.

If you run shonky business like KVS does than you cannot have all the required settings to have/gain good "reputation". Obfuscating your real location (is it Canada, USA or Bahamas or whatever country it is), misusing other business services etc, will not work.
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Old Feb 1, 2023, 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by vbroucek
No, it doesn't work that way - I have been involved in administering mail servers including bulk mailing services (we were sending up to 200K mails a day) for some time and had to deal with Microsoft, Google, AWS, Yahoo and many others about that. It all depends on how well your mail server is set up (there are heaps of ways how to make sure your messages don't get dumped if you are legitimate business) and "reputation" of your servers.

If you run shonky business like KVS does than you cannot have all the required settings to have/gain good "reputation". Obfuscating your real location (is it Canada, USA or Bahamas or whatever country it is), misusing other business services etc, will not work.
I guess Chase doesn't know how to setup a mail server then. BTW I was an email admin for a large government agency and I can assure you that the large providers (MS/Google) would block things (not let them through as Spam) and had nothing to do with the incoming IP "reputation score" (static Class B owned by a large State Government agency). Although trying to get ahold of someone at MS was a royal PITA.

Now we've migrated to O365 where all mail (there is no delineation between "internal" and "external" with O365 Gx tenants) gets treated the same. We've had repeated instances where "internal email" (ie, I send an email to my colleague right across from me) gets treated/marked as Spam.
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