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Mar 18, 2009 | 8:08 am
#1276
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I haven't jailbroken my phone. I really don't want to have to think about how my technology works anymore than I absolutely have to these days.
I am really hoping that v3 will usher in the basis for a "paperback" sized version of an iPod / iPhone / iWhatever.
Mar 18, 2009 | 12:27 pm
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And, in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
From the outside looking in, it's still not enough to switch to AT&T. If it were on Verizon, I'd snap one up immediately.
The question is whether Apple will introduce a non-exclusive LTE version (it appears that Verizon will roll out LTE a year or more ahead of AT&T) or RIM will release a sufficiently improved Storm first.
Even if they didn't have a deal with AT&T, it's not worth going to Verizon at this point, just to butt heads on things like Wifi and tethering.
The question is whether Apple will introduce a non-exclusive LTE version (it appears that Verizon will roll out LTE a year or more ahead of AT&T) or RIM will release a sufficiently improved Storm first.
Mar 18, 2009 | 12:37 pm
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I've never had a single complaint with AT&T since I signed up in '99. (Old Ameritech cellular days!)
I am most excited for MMS. I have gotten around the lack of by using e-mail, but for those who aren't tech savy, an MMS is a much more straightforward process that most are familiar with.
I am most excited for MMS. I have gotten around the lack of by using e-mail, but for those who aren't tech savy, an MMS is a much more straightforward process that most are familiar with.
Mar 19, 2009 | 5:56 am
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Interesting tidbits from FierceWireless...
Apple unveiled its new software update for the iPhone, OS 3.0. The software will be available this summer as a free update to all iPhone 3G customers. The Developer Beta version of OS 3.0 is available today. First generation iPhone users can also get the OS for free, but Stereo Bluetooth and MMS will not work. Users who have the iPod Touch will be able to purchase the update for $9.95.
At a press event at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, Calif., the company demonstrated the new OS's functionality but did not discuss any new hardware to complement the OS update. It has been widely speculated that Apple will launch the next generation of the iPhone in June or July.
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Some of the new features that Apple said will be included in the software update are:
* In-app purchase, allowing users to update an application while using it.
* Turn-by-turn direction in Google Maps, with Maps embedded into applications.
* Push notifications (but no applications running in the background). Apple will have running apps connect to a server, and sync their latest status when users close them.
* Cut/copy/paste functionality
* Support for streaming video, MMS, voice memo and stereo Bluetooth
Apple said it is launching the iPhone in 15 more countries, bringing the total to 77.
At a press event at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, Calif., the company demonstrated the new OS's functionality but did not discuss any new hardware to complement the OS update. It has been widely speculated that Apple will launch the next generation of the iPhone in June or July.
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Some of the new features that Apple said will be included in the software update are:
* In-app purchase, allowing users to update an application while using it.
* Turn-by-turn direction in Google Maps, with Maps embedded into applications.
* Push notifications (but no applications running in the background). Apple will have running apps connect to a server, and sync their latest status when users close them.
* Cut/copy/paste functionality
* Support for streaming video, MMS, voice memo and stereo Bluetooth
Apple said it is launching the iPhone in 15 more countries, bringing the total to 77.
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Mar 19, 2009 | 6:05 am
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Alternatively, if two iPhone users are using the same SMS app, like maybe Bite, that app could send an SMS receipt. But that would of course double the effective cost.
Mar 19, 2009 | 7:02 am
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Apple has chosen to not include that functionality in the iPhone. Don't know if they claim it's because of the same type of "limitation" (Apple limitations, not technological limitations) that prevented them from supporting 3G in the first generation of iPhones when others had supported 3G for years.
Mar 19, 2009 | 7:26 am
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Perhaps you are referring to a phone that is locked to a particular carrier in which case it could of course be pre-programmed with the right codes. Since for instance A&T sells the iPhone in the USA, AT&T can put their own software on the phone to customize it for their network. I'm sure that Apple wouldn't mind if AT&T added such a feature on their phone. So wouldn't AT&T be at fault rather than Apple?
Mar 19, 2009 | 7:31 am
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I guess I'm not sure how this could work? Every phone network in the world is different in its control codes. Like I posted above, Singtel uses #R#. So unless a telephone is programmed to know the carrier control code for notification, how would it work??
Perhaps you are referring to a phone that is locked to a particular carrier in which case it could of course be pre-programmed with the right codes. Since for instance A&T sells the iPhone in the USA, AT&T can put their own software on the phone to customize it for their network. I'm sure that Apple wouldn't mind if AT&T added such a feature on their phone. So wouldn't AT&T be at fault rather than Apple?
Perhaps you are referring to a phone that is locked to a particular carrier in which case it could of course be pre-programmed with the right codes. Since for instance A&T sells the iPhone in the USA, AT&T can put their own software on the phone to customize it for their network. I'm sure that Apple wouldn't mind if AT&T added such a feature on their phone. So wouldn't AT&T be at fault rather than Apple?
The phone does not need to be locked to a network. It works regardless of this.
Mar 19, 2009 | 7:37 am
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Are we sure we are talking about the same thing with notifications? There could be two types.
1. Where the SMS is successfully sent to the recipient network
2. Where the SMS is actually opened on the recipient telephone. (If you send me an SMS in the middle of the night when my phone is turned off, I won't actually read it til I turn my phone on the next day).
Number #2 would require the recipient telephone to send a signal back to the network. I'm not sure how that could be possible with all the different telephones in the world?
1. Where the SMS is successfully sent to the recipient network
2. Where the SMS is actually opened on the recipient telephone. (If you send me an SMS in the middle of the night when my phone is turned off, I won't actually read it til I turn my phone on the next day).
Number #2 would require the recipient telephone to send a signal back to the network. I'm not sure how that could be possible with all the different telephones in the world?
Mar 19, 2009 | 7:44 am
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Are we sure we are talking about the same thing with notifications? There could be two types.
1. Where the SMS is successfully sent to the recipient network
2. Where the SMS is actually opened on the recipient telephone. (If you send me an SMS in the middle of the night when my phone is turned off, I won't actually read it til I turn my phone on the next day).
Number #2 would require the recipient telephone to send a signal back to the network. I'm not sure how that could be possible with all the different telephones in the world?
1. Where the SMS is successfully sent to the recipient network
2. Where the SMS is actually opened on the recipient telephone. (If you send me an SMS in the middle of the night when my phone is turned off, I won't actually read it til I turn my phone on the next day).
Number #2 would require the recipient telephone to send a signal back to the network. I'm not sure how that could be possible with all the different telephones in the world?
It is not a read reciept, it only confirms that the message has been delivered to your phone which is on and in network.
Its very handy. ^
Mar 19, 2009 | 9:40 pm
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The GSM networks all over the world use the same status codes for reporting delivery status for messages. It doesn't matter what brand of phone you have. Once the message has been delivered to your phone, the network where the receiver is will send a notification to the network where the sender is located that the message has been delivered, and that info is sent to the sender's phone.
The system also allows read reports, i.e. the sender is notified when the receiver opens the message (again, there are standard GSM status messages for these action, independent on what phone brand you use). That function is not turned on in most networks because of privacy concerns.
Delivery status reports were included in the GSM specifications written ~20 years ago. Makes one wonder why Apple can't support it...
If you send a text message from a GSM phone to a CDMA phone the delivery status request may not work.
Mar 19, 2009 | 9:46 pm
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Mar 19, 2009 | 10:04 pm
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The system also allows read reports, i.e. the sender is notified when the receiver opens the message (again, there are standard GSM status messages for these action, independent on what phone brand you use). That function is not turned on in most networks because of privacy concerns.
Delivery status reports were included in the GSM specifications written ~20 years ago. Makes one wonder why Apple can't support it...
If you send a text message from a GSM phone to a CDMA phone the delivery status request may not work.
Delivery status reports were included in the GSM specifications written ~20 years ago. Makes one wonder why Apple can't support it...
If you send a text message from a GSM phone to a CDMA phone the delivery status request may not work.
Mar 19, 2009 | 10:27 pm
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I didn't say that delivery reports are turned off in most networks; I said that read reports are turned off in a lot of networks.
Delivery reports are supported in basically every GSM/UMTS network worldwide. That is why Apple should support it since all competitors support it and it's a useful feature.
Supporting read and delivery reports requires very little effort for a cell phone maker since all of the signaling is handled by the cell network, so the question is why Apple can't support it.
There are many more GSM/UMTS users than CDMA users, so having a system that works worldwide for GSM/UMTS phones but not necessarily between GSM and CDMA is good enough for most cases.