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Originally Posted by wiredboy10003
(Post 11432275)
I've got multiple pages of apps and I put stuff like Stocks on the last page. It seems like an easier answer than jailbreaking the phone just to hide an app.
I haven't jailbroken my phone. I really don't want to have to think about how my technology works anymore than I absolutely have to these days. I am really hoping that v3 will usher in the basis for a "paperback" sized version of an iPod / iPhone / iWhatever. |
Originally Posted by wco81
(Post 11429680)
This is a software upgrade, not an announcement of a business deal.
Even if they didn't have a deal with AT&T, it's not worth going to Verizon at this point, just to butt heads on things like Wifi and tethering. The question is whether Apple will introduce a non-exclusive LTE version (it appears that Verizon will roll out LTE a year or more ahead of AT&T) or RIM will release a sufficiently improved Storm first. |
Originally Posted by user1
(Post 11429536)
Unfortunately it doesn't address the iPhone's fatal flaw:
AT&T. I am most excited for MMS. I have gotten around the lack of by using e-mail, but for those who aren't tech savy, an MMS is a much more straightforward process that most are familiar with. |
I wonder when will apple decide to add Delivery reports into the iPhone. Its such a handy way to confirm that a SMS has reached its recipient.
This is the only thing that really bugs me. |
Interesting tidbits from FierceWireless...
Apple unveiled its new software update for the iPhone, OS 3.0. The software will be available this summer as a free update to all iPhone 3G customers. The Developer Beta version of OS 3.0 is available today. First generation iPhone users can also get the OS for free, but Stereo Bluetooth and MMS will not work. Users who have the iPod Touch will be able to purchase the update for $9.95. At a press event at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, Calif., the company demonstrated the new OS's functionality but did not discuss any new hardware to complement the OS update. It has been widely speculated that Apple will launch the next generation of the iPhone in June or July. ... Some of the new features that Apple said will be included in the software update are: * In-app purchase, allowing users to update an application while using it. * Turn-by-turn direction in Google Maps, with Maps embedded into applications. * Push notifications (but no applications running in the background). Apple will have running apps connect to a server, and sync their latest status when users close them. * Cut/copy/paste functionality * Support for streaming video, MMS, voice memo and stereo Bluetooth Apple said it is launching the iPhone in 15 more countries, bringing the total to 77. |
Originally Posted by lallyr
(Post 11434201)
I wonder when will apple decide to add Delivery reports into the iPhone. Its such a handy way to confirm that a SMS has reached its recipient.
Alternatively, if two iPhone users are using the same SMS app, like maybe Bite, that app could send an SMS receipt. But that would of course double the effective cost. |
Originally Posted by stimpy
(Post 11437921)
How can the iPhone do this? Only the phone company knows if an SMS was received.
Apple has chosen to not include that functionality in the iPhone. Don't know if they claim it's because of the same type of "limitation" (Apple limitations, not technological limitations) that prevented them from supporting 3G in the first generation of iPhones when others had supported 3G for years. |
Originally Posted by Vunder31
(Post 11438096)
Other phones have a setting where you can activate delivery reports. When a message is sent, a delivery request "tag" is sent together with the message, prompting the network to send a message back confirming the delivery.
Perhaps you are referring to a phone that is locked to a particular carrier in which case it could of course be pre-programmed with the right codes. Since for instance A&T sells the iPhone in the USA, AT&T can put their own software on the phone to customize it for their network. I'm sure that Apple wouldn't mind if AT&T added such a feature on their phone. So wouldn't AT&T be at fault rather than Apple? |
Originally Posted by stimpy
(Post 11438193)
I guess I'm not sure how this could work? Every phone network in the world is different in its control codes. Like I posted above, Singtel uses #R#. So unless a telephone is programmed to know the carrier control code for notification, how would it work??
Perhaps you are referring to a phone that is locked to a particular carrier in which case it could of course be pre-programmed with the right codes. Since for instance A&T sells the iPhone in the USA, AT&T can put their own software on the phone to customize it for their network. I'm sure that Apple wouldn't mind if AT&T added such a feature on their phone. So wouldn't AT&T be at fault rather than Apple? The phone does not need to be locked to a network. It works regardless of this. |
Are we sure we are talking about the same thing with notifications? There could be two types.
1. Where the SMS is successfully sent to the recipient network 2. Where the SMS is actually opened on the recipient telephone. (If you send me an SMS in the middle of the night when my phone is turned off, I won't actually read it til I turn my phone on the next day). Number #2 would require the recipient telephone to send a signal back to the network. I'm not sure how that could be possible with all the different telephones in the world? |
Originally Posted by stimpy
(Post 11438248)
Are we sure we are talking about the same thing with notifications? There could be two types.
1. Where the SMS is successfully sent to the recipient network 2. Where the SMS is actually opened on the recipient telephone. (If you send me an SMS in the middle of the night when my phone is turned off, I won't actually read it til I turn my phone on the next day). Number #2 would require the recipient telephone to send a signal back to the network. I'm not sure how that could be possible with all the different telephones in the world? It is not a read reciept, it only confirms that the message has been delivered to your phone which is on and in network. Its very handy. ^ |
Originally Posted by stimpy
(Post 11438248)
I'm not sure how that could be possible with all the different telephones in the world?
The GSM networks all over the world use the same status codes for reporting delivery status for messages. It doesn't matter what brand of phone you have. Once the message has been delivered to your phone, the network where the receiver is will send a notification to the network where the sender is located that the message has been delivered, and that info is sent to the sender's phone. The system also allows read reports, i.e. the sender is notified when the receiver opens the message (again, there are standard GSM status messages for these action, independent on what phone brand you use). That function is not turned on in most networks because of privacy concerns. Delivery status reports were included in the GSM specifications written ~20 years ago. Makes one wonder why Apple can't support it... If you send a text message from a GSM phone to a CDMA phone the delivery status request may not work. |
Looks like cut and paste is finally here!
Originally Posted by wco81
(Post 11410573)
Coming Tuesday, Apple is holding a preview for version 3.0 of the iPhone OS.
Interest is awash with speculation of new features. |
Originally Posted by Vunder31
(Post 11443014)
The system also allows read reports, i.e. the sender is notified when the receiver opens the message (again, there are standard GSM status messages for these action, independent on what phone brand you use). That function is not turned on in most networks because of privacy concerns.
Delivery status reports were included in the GSM specifications written ~20 years ago. Makes one wonder why Apple can't support it... If you send a text message from a GSM phone to a CDMA phone the delivery status request may not work. |
Originally Posted by pdxer
(Post 11443091)
why would anyone (not just apple) bother implementing something that's not turned on in most networks and won't work with cdma users?
I didn't say that delivery reports are turned off in most networks; I said that read reports are turned off in a lot of networks. Delivery reports are supported in basically every GSM/UMTS network worldwide. That is why Apple should support it since all competitors support it and it's a useful feature. Supporting read and delivery reports requires very little effort for a cell phone maker since all of the signaling is handled by the cell network, so the question is why Apple can't support it. There are many more GSM/UMTS users than CDMA users, so having a system that works worldwide for GSM/UMTS phones but not necessarily between GSM and CDMA is good enough for most cases. |
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