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Apr 9, 2006 | 8:37 pm
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not 100% true
Originally Posted by Emma65
Thanks. And yes, you are right.
A lawyer is something that can be factored in to the advance and the record company pays for your lawyer - just make sure it's one that doesn't work for the label! Too many bands have done that mistake with both labels and managers and years later screaming they got scr*w*d.
Anyway - the point I was trying to make is that very few new artists will stand a chance making a living on their music with the illegal downloading. If they can't get a deal with a label who does the backing and marketing what can they do? And labels will be less keen to sign new artists if they can't sell them.
The illegal downloading isn't affecting the wealth of those who already made their fortunes before downloading turned in to a problem.
Oh - and how come CDs turn up on P2P networks long before they are released? Most often it's the journalists on the mailinglists. SOmetimes it's even the record company execs who have trusted a friend with a copy, who trusted another friend, who trusted another friend... and so on.
Or it's the courrier who pulled the CD and ripped it while he was taking it to the record company.
Or it's the recording studio who runs an FTP they never change the password on and who's had it hacked or who use them same access codes for all their clients, because they couldn't be bothered getting a sysadmin in to set up a VPN.
Or it's the band who haven't worked out that yousendit.com and similar is NOT a good idea to use when shipping files between eachother.
Sheer stupidity is most often the reason why a CD ends up on P2P before it's released. And a hefty portion of "lack of respect for other peoples intellectual property"
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A lawyer is something that can be factored in to the advance and the record company pays for your lawyer - just make sure it's one that doesn't work for the label! Too many bands have done that mistake with both labels and managers and years later screaming they got scr*w*d.
Anyway - the point I was trying to make is that very few new artists will stand a chance making a living on their music with the illegal downloading. If they can't get a deal with a label who does the backing and marketing what can they do? And labels will be less keen to sign new artists if they can't sell them.
The illegal downloading isn't affecting the wealth of those who already made their fortunes before downloading turned in to a problem.
Oh - and how come CDs turn up on P2P networks long before they are released? Most often it's the journalists on the mailinglists. SOmetimes it's even the record company execs who have trusted a friend with a copy, who trusted another friend, who trusted another friend... and so on.
Or it's the courrier who pulled the CD and ripped it while he was taking it to the record company.
Or it's the recording studio who runs an FTP they never change the password on and who's had it hacked or who use them same access codes for all their clients, because they couldn't be bothered getting a sysadmin in to set up a VPN.
Or it's the band who haven't worked out that yousendit.com and similar is NOT a good idea to use when shipping files between eachother.
Sheer stupidity is most often the reason why a CD ends up on P2P before it's released. And a hefty portion of "lack of respect for other peoples intellectual property"
/E
so the problem is that the music and the movie industry is not able to protect their pre-release supplyment chain.
so as you pointed out correctly the releases are leaked because somewhere in the release chain their are un-secure persons.
the person who are working in the cutting studio
journalist
the artist
people in the factory where the cd/dvds are pressed
the person who delievers the cds etc.
so these persons leaking the release, they are making a digital copy.
so the release goes its way
Leaker -> Scene -> FXP Scene -> P2p -> Enduser
so the problem is the FXP Scene.
the Scene itself is only made as a internal trade ring, so normally if not some dump persons let some FXP trader inside 90% of the releases would not be avail. for P2P /endusers.
the fxp scene is hacking servers, and they are spreading a thing they were not involved .
but its impossible to catch these as there are too many , and they dont know what kind of work is behind there for the real groups to make a release happen.
the whole thing is much more complicated and most of you will never realize what is behind and how the releases are getting leaked.
the whole problem will be non-exsistent in some years, as the prices for downloaded music will drop to the allofmp3 level.
and for paying a fee around 10usd per month, you will have acess anytime anywhere through all media (computer , mobile phone etc. ) to your online music content.
its just a matter of time, the prices will drop in the future.
dp
Apr 10, 2006 | 11:48 am
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Originally Posted by Febs
The United States Registrar of Copyrights has characterized allofmp3's music as "pirated":
You've pointed to the lack of information about allofmp3.com on RIAA's website as indicating that the RIAA at least tacitly acknowledges that allofmp3 is legal:
To the contrary, the RIAA is a member of the International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA), a private sector coalition formed in 1984 to represent the U.S. copyright-based industries in bilateral and multilateral efforts to improve international protection of copyrighted materials. According to the IIPA website, "IIPA and its member associations track copyright legislative and enforcement developments in over 80 countries, working with U.S. government, foreign government and private sector representatives. IIPAs goal is a legal and enforcement regime for copyright that not only deters piracy, but that also fosters technological and cultural development in these countries, and encourages local investment and employment."
IIPA representatives have testified on a number of occasions before the U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property regarding intellectual property theft in Russia. IIPA has repeatedly reported to the U.S. House Subcommittee that the Russian government should take steps to curb intellectual property piracy, which it estimates costs U.S. companies $1.7 billion annually. One of the "six critical steps" that the IIPA recommends the Russian government take is to "immediately take down websites offering infringing copyright materials, such as allofmp3.com, and criminally prosecute those responsible." Clearly, the IIPA does not believe that allofmp3 is legal.
IIPA has urged the United States to take actions to "mandate Russia compliance with international norms and obligations" regarding copyright enforcement. IIPA has urged the U.S. to: (1) Condition Russias entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO) on meaningful copyright law enforcement; (2) Designate Russia as a Priority Foreign Country (PFC) after the on-going out of cycle review by U.S.T.R.; and (3) Deny Russias eligibility for the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) duty-free trade benefits.
Your supposition that RIAA has not taken any action against allofmp3 is incorrect. The IIPA report to Congress notes:
The emphasis is mine, but it highlights that it is much more difficult for RIAA to sue a Russia organization in Russia than it is to sue individual copyright infringers in the U.S. For that reason, the RIAA, through the IIPA, has pursued relief through diplomatic measures. While it apparently has not been very successful in those efforts to date, your argument that RIAA has somehow tacitly acknowledged that allofmp3.com is legal is flat-out wrong.
You've pointed to the lack of information about allofmp3.com on RIAA's website as indicating that the RIAA at least tacitly acknowledges that allofmp3 is legal:
To the contrary, the RIAA is a member of the International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA), a private sector coalition formed in 1984 to represent the U.S. copyright-based industries in bilateral and multilateral efforts to improve international protection of copyrighted materials. According to the IIPA website, "IIPA and its member associations track copyright legislative and enforcement developments in over 80 countries, working with U.S. government, foreign government and private sector representatives. IIPAs goal is a legal and enforcement regime for copyright that not only deters piracy, but that also fosters technological and cultural development in these countries, and encourages local investment and employment."
IIPA representatives have testified on a number of occasions before the U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property regarding intellectual property theft in Russia. IIPA has repeatedly reported to the U.S. House Subcommittee that the Russian government should take steps to curb intellectual property piracy, which it estimates costs U.S. companies $1.7 billion annually. One of the "six critical steps" that the IIPA recommends the Russian government take is to "immediately take down websites offering infringing copyright materials, such as allofmp3.com, and criminally prosecute those responsible." Clearly, the IIPA does not believe that allofmp3 is legal.
IIPA has urged the United States to take actions to "mandate Russia compliance with international norms and obligations" regarding copyright enforcement. IIPA has urged the U.S. to: (1) Condition Russias entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO) on meaningful copyright law enforcement; (2) Designate Russia as a Priority Foreign Country (PFC) after the on-going out of cycle review by U.S.T.R.; and (3) Deny Russias eligibility for the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) duty-free trade benefits.
Your supposition that RIAA has not taken any action against allofmp3 is incorrect. The IIPA report to Congress notes:
The emphasis is mine, but it highlights that it is much more difficult for RIAA to sue a Russia organization in Russia than it is to sue individual copyright infringers in the U.S. For that reason, the RIAA, through the IIPA, has pursued relief through diplomatic measures. While it apparently has not been very successful in those efforts to date, your argument that RIAA has somehow tacitly acknowledged that allofmp3.com is legal is flat-out wrong.
Good to know that a US agency considers ALLofMP3 as pirated music but given that half of what I do when I go abroad violates several USA laws; I have no qualms downloading "pirated" music. I most definitely can sleep @ night.
Apr 10, 2006 | 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by jwalkabout
Good to know that a US agency considers ALLofMP3 as pirated music but given that half of what I do when I go abroad violates several USA laws; I have no qualms downloading "pirated" music. I most definitely can sleep @ night.
Apr 10, 2006 | 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by murphy
It's great you're able to rationalize stealing.
Apr 10, 2006 | 12:56 pm
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From his profile:
jwalkabout
Location:
USA
Interests:
good deals
Whether there's a loophole in Russian copywrite law or not, if the copywrite holders aren't being compensated, to me it's stealing.
jwalkabout
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good deals
Whether there's a loophole in Russian copywrite law or not, if the copywrite holders aren't being compensated, to me it's stealing.
Last edited by murphy; Apr 10, 2006 at 2:42 pm Reason: I posted pretty much the opposite of what i meant. added text is bold
Apr 10, 2006 | 1:57 pm
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Originally Posted by murphy
Whether there's a loophole in Russian copywrite law or not, if the copywrite holders are being compensated, to me it's stealing.
/E
Apr 10, 2006 | 2:10 pm
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Originally Posted by murphy
It's great you're able to rationalize stealing.
I don't rationalize stealing music, I happily do it with no qualms. When the risk is such that it is detrimental to me, then I will stop downloading from allofmp3.com until then I willfully and with good conscience will continue to do so.
I just can't support $1 per downlaod of lossy data nor can I support $15 per CD of what I consider disposable music regardless of the fact that it is legal. ALLof MP3 and mp3search have the right cost to match the product even though it is considered "pirated". I just bought a CD of Classical music from Amazon for $5 which I thought was priced right too.
If ALL music CD's were priced @ $5, I would actually buy the CD and not even bother with downloading data. If my hard drive crashes and I don't have my music backed up then it is all lost. I would bet that 75% of digital music downloaders don't have a back up of their music. Imagine their grief when their DAP or HD crashes and their library is lost.
Apr 10, 2006 | 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by murphy
From his profile:
jwalkabout
Location:
USA
Interests:
good deals
Whether there's a loophole in Russian copywrite law or not, if the copywrite holders are being compensated, to me it's stealing.
jwalkabout
Location:
USA
Interests:
good deals
Whether there's a loophole in Russian copywrite law or not, if the copywrite holders are being compensated, to me it's stealing.
BTW I don't remember setting up that profile. I had better revisit it!
Apr 10, 2006 | 2:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Emma65
the point is that the copywrite holders are not compensated. allofmp3 can pay as much as they want to ROM but if ROM isn't part of the international organisation tha govern all royalty collection agencies, then how are the artists compensated?
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Apr 10, 2006 | 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by jwalkabout
I just can't support $1 per downlaod of lossy data nor can I support $15 per CD of what I consider disposable music regardless of the fact that it is legal.
Apr 11, 2006 | 7:51 am
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Originally Posted by murphy
So don't buy their product. It's their decision how to sell it, not yours or allofmp3's.
Let me put it to u this way. If u foud a bag of money with $25k in it that was dropped by an armored car or whatever and u had a slim to none chance of getting caught what would u do?
I would keep the money, some would avoid the money and leave alone, others would turn it over to the police. Pirated music is the equivalent to me.
You are under the impression that you need to impart some dose of moral values. Spare yourself the frustration because you won't influence me in the least bit. I know why I do what I do and I am perfectly comfortable with that.
Apr 11, 2006 | 6:42 pm
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Originally Posted by jwalkabout
I don't buy their product @ their price. So what is your point?
Let me put it to u this way. If u foud a bag of money with $25k in it that was dropped by an armored car or whatever and u had a slim to none chance of getting caught what would u do?
I would keep the money, some would avoid the money and leave alone, others would turn it over to the police. Pirated music is the equivalent to me.
You are under the impression that you need to impart some dose of moral values. Spare yourself the frustration because you won't influence me in the least bit. I know why I do what I do and I am perfectly comfortable with that.
Let me put it to u this way. If u foud a bag of money with $25k in it that was dropped by an armored car or whatever and u had a slim to none chance of getting caught what would u do?
I would keep the money, some would avoid the money and leave alone, others would turn it over to the police. Pirated music is the equivalent to me.
You are under the impression that you need to impart some dose of moral values. Spare yourself the frustration because you won't influence me in the least bit. I know why I do what I do and I am perfectly comfortable with that.
Apr 11, 2006 | 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by opus17
The same can be said about shoplifting.
This is like shoplifting when all the cops are busy eating their doughnuts.
Apr 11, 2006 | 8:06 pm
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It's like shoplifting where the shoplifted item never leaves the store, or theft where nothing gets stolen.
Comparing downloads from allofmp3 or P2P networks with shoplifting or stealing or stealing of physical products is pointless, just like reading a magazine in the airport bookstore instead of buying it doesn't equal theft, and back to back ticketing is not the same as stealing from the airline.
Comparing downloads from allofmp3 or P2P networks with shoplifting or stealing or stealing of physical products is pointless, just like reading a magazine in the airport bookstore instead of buying it doesn't equal theft, and back to back ticketing is not the same as stealing from the airline.