eSIM thread
#271
Join Date: May 2021
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC
Posts: 27
I find that turning off a SIM or eSIM entirely is the best way to prevent any undesired usage. It's a really useful feature. With the current daily roaming rates of Canadian wireless providers ($12/d for U.S., $15/d for international) I prefer to have my home SIM disabled entirely rather than have only specific services (e.g. roaming, data) turned off.
#272




Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,959
I find that turning off a SIM or eSIM entirely is the best way to prevent any undesired usage. It's a really useful feature. With the current daily roaming rates of Canadian wireless providers ($12/d for U.S., $15/d for international) I prefer to have my home SIM disabled entirely rather than have only specific services (e.g. roaming, data) turned off.
#273
Join Date: May 2021
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC
Posts: 27
You need a revolution up in Canada. The mobile phone rates are crazy high to begin with, and the roaming costs are even more insane. The US carriers have free Canadian roaming on most of their plans. Canada is the outlier on prices, e.g., look what you can get in the UK: https://www.vodafone.co.uk/mobile/be...topnav~1~1~2~1
Consumer protections and regulations often seem to be a two-steps-forward, one-step-back kind of thing here. I've been doing okay with some travel hacks, such as using free 90-day T-Mobile data plan trials for my U.S. travel. But it's criminal what these companies can charge here. It's especially insulting when you look at countries with similarly low population densities like Australia or Sweden.
#274



Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,698
https://stacksocial.com/sales/instab...lan-2-gb-month
(instabridge is by Degoo, one of those "lifetime" data-backup companies that have negative reviews
pricing/country/availability from their app is different than from their website
(instabridge is by Degoo, one of those "lifetime" data-backup companies that have negative reviews
pricing/country/availability from their app is different than from their website
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#275



Join Date: Aug 2005
Programs: AA Platinum for Life (2MM), Marriott Lifetime Gold
Posts: 1,041
Furthermore, the carrier I use in my main location outside the USA has a VoIP app, so I can still use their service -- both sending and receiving both SMS and phone calls -- even with that carrier's eSIM turned off. It's handy for e.g. OTP codes for online banking.
#276




Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,959
I do this very thing regularly (late-model iPhone).
Furthermore, the carrier I use in my main location outside the USA has a VoIP app, so I can still use their service -- both sending and receiving both SMS and phone calls -- even with that carrier's eSIM turned off. It's handy for e.g. OTP codes for online banking.
Furthermore, the carrier I use in my main location outside the USA has a VoIP app, so I can still use their service -- both sending and receiving both SMS and phone calls -- even with that carrier's eSIM turned off. It's handy for e.g. OTP codes for online banking.
#278



Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: YVR ✈ SIN ✈ SYD
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Posts: 135
I find that turning off a SIM or eSIM entirely is the best way to prevent any undesired usage. It's a really useful feature. With the current daily roaming rates of Canadian wireless providers ($12/d for U.S., $15/d for international) I prefer to have my home SIM disabled entirely rather than have only specific services (e.g. roaming, data) turned off.
#279



Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: KSUX
Posts: 919
I'm leaving for a 2 week trip to Europe next week and will be primarily in the UK, Germany and Poland. I currently have an iPhone 13 Pro Max with my AT&T service on a physical SIM and plan on using Orange's 20GB Europe Holiday plan while traveling on an eSIM. I'll be starting and ending my trip in London if it matters. That said I have a couple questions.
1. Can/should I install the eSIM before departing the US or would I be better off just installing and activating it once in London? From their FAQ it looks like I can install it before leaving ad once it recognizes a European carrier it will automatically activate. I just don't want to do something that could cause it to activate in the US because I'll need all 14 days the plans offer as my flight home will be on day 14. I'd like to have it installed and working before leaving LHR but in a worst case scenario if I could wait until I get to my hotel. I've stayed there several times and know how to get there.
2. I've seen it mentioned several times that you can enable wifi calling, turn off roaming on your US SIM and use the data from the local SIM to make and receive calls to/from US numbers as if you were in wifi. Is that all there really is to it? I have a Google Voice number that I know I can use over cell data to make and receive calls and texts to the US if need be but I'd rather just be able to use my existing US number since that's what all my friends and family already have.
I'm sure I'm over thinking things as usual but thought I'd ask before doing something potentially stupid.
1. Can/should I install the eSIM before departing the US or would I be better off just installing and activating it once in London? From their FAQ it looks like I can install it before leaving ad once it recognizes a European carrier it will automatically activate. I just don't want to do something that could cause it to activate in the US because I'll need all 14 days the plans offer as my flight home will be on day 14. I'd like to have it installed and working before leaving LHR but in a worst case scenario if I could wait until I get to my hotel. I've stayed there several times and know how to get there.
2. I've seen it mentioned several times that you can enable wifi calling, turn off roaming on your US SIM and use the data from the local SIM to make and receive calls to/from US numbers as if you were in wifi. Is that all there really is to it? I have a Google Voice number that I know I can use over cell data to make and receive calls and texts to the US if need be but I'd rather just be able to use my existing US number since that's what all my friends and family already have.
I'm sure I'm over thinking things as usual but thought I'd ask before doing something potentially stupid.
#280


Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 724
Regarding your #2 question, the procedure is simple. Leave your US sim set to roam, but select a non roaming carrier for it in Settings, Cellular, AT&T line, Network Selection, Automatic Off. You must then choose a carrier that you have no roaming service with. Probably one of those towards the bottom of the listed carriers. Once selected, your Status Bar at the top of your screen for that line should change to No Service, then after a few moments to Using Cellular Data. This function is called IMS, and works well with a second line providing data. Your AT&T line is using the data line as a pseudo WiFi carrier. Provided that AT&T gives free US WiFi calls, you will have no charges, and on your account those calls will record as made on WiFi. I'd review what the charges are for local (UK) WiFi calls are since your voice line will be active.
You can practice the setup prior to leaving the US if you have a second line available for data. I use the First Responder (313 100) network for my voice line non roaming carrier, since I cannot roam on it. Or, Verizon or Sprint should work in the US for you also.
You can practice the setup prior to leaving the US if you have a second line available for data. I use the First Responder (313 100) network for my voice line non roaming carrier, since I cannot roam on it. Or, Verizon or Sprint should work in the US for you also.
#281



Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: KSUX
Posts: 919
Thanks for the info. I’ve added it to my travel info. I double checked and AT&T allows calling US numbers from other countries at no extra charge using wi-fi calling. As for any local calls while traveling in Europe I decided to pay the few extra Euros to get their package that comes with a French (iirc) number that gives unlimited calls and texts in 50 different countries/territories which will cover all the places I’ll be staying or transiting.
#282


Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 474
Regarding your #2 question, the procedure is simple. Leave your US sim set to roam, but select a non roaming carrier for it in Settings, Cellular, AT&T line, Network Selection, Automatic Off. You must then choose a carrier that you have no roaming service with. Probably one of those towards the bottom of the listed carriers. Once selected, your Status Bar at the top of your screen for that line should change to No Service, then after a few moments to Using Cellular Data. This function is called IMS, and works well with a second line providing data. Your AT&T line is using the data line as a pseudo WiFi carrier. Provided that AT&T gives free US WiFi calls, you will have no charges, and on your account those calls will record as made on WiFi. I'd review what the charges are for local (UK) WiFi calls are since your voice line will be active.
You can practice the setup prior to leaving the US if you have a second line available for data. I use the First Responder (313 100) network for my voice line non roaming carrier, since I cannot roam on it. Or, Verizon or Sprint should work in the US for you also.
You can practice the setup prior to leaving the US if you have a second line available for data. I use the First Responder (313 100) network for my voice line non roaming carrier, since I cannot roam on it. Or, Verizon or Sprint should work in the US for you also.
Does it need a second carrier eSIM installed first?
#283




Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,959
Regarding your #2 question, the procedure is simple. Leave your US sim set to roam, but select a non roaming carrier for it in Settings, Cellular, AT&T line, Network Selection, Automatic Off. You must then choose a carrier that you have no roaming service with. Probably one of those towards the bottom of the listed carriers. Once selected, your Status Bar at the top of your screen for that line should change to No Service, then after a few moments to Using Cellular Data. This function is called IMS, and works well with a second line providing data. Your AT&T line is using the data line as a pseudo WiFi carrier. Provided that AT&T gives free US WiFi calls, you will have no charges, and on your account those calls will record as made on WiFi. I'd review what the charges are for local (UK) WiFi calls are since your voice line will be active.
You can practice the setup prior to leaving the US if you have a second line available for data. I use the First Responder (313 100) network for my voice line non roaming carrier, since I cannot roam on it. Or, Verizon or Sprint should work in the US for you also.
You can practice the setup prior to leaving the US if you have a second line available for data. I use the First Responder (313 100) network for my voice line non roaming carrier, since I cannot roam on it. Or, Verizon or Sprint should work in the US for you also.
An alternative way of doing this:
- Unconditionally call forward the US AT&T number to a Google Voice number.
- Install GV app on your phone.
#284


Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 474
This sounds potentially dangerous - if the phone switches networks to the one with service, then you are paying for roaming.
An alternative way of doing this:
An alternative way of doing this:
- Unconditionally call forward the US AT&T number to a Google Voice number.
- Install GV app on your phone.
The other recommendation from the Airalo sub-reddit is to get international roaming for voice and data get turned off on your account by calling AT&T. This way, you get either No Service or AT&T WiFi connection on the AT&T "line" when not in reach of an AT&T tower. "WiFi" can be a real WiFi AP or data service from an eSIM on the device.
I haven't tried it myself but intend to.
#285




Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Aurora, CO
Programs: Statusless and proud
Posts: 7,945
Do 2FA OTPs get forwarded to GV?
The other recommendation from the Airalo sub-reddit is to get international roaming for voice and data get turned off on your account by calling AT&T. This way, you get either No Service or AT&T WiFi connection on the AT&T "line" when not in reach of an AT&T tower. "WiFi" can be a real WiFi AP or data service from an eSIM on the device.
I haven't tried it myself but intend to.
The other recommendation from the Airalo sub-reddit is to get international roaming for voice and data get turned off on your account by calling AT&T. This way, you get either No Service or AT&T WiFi connection on the AT&T "line" when not in reach of an AT&T tower. "WiFi" can be a real WiFi AP or data service from an eSIM on the device.
I haven't tried it myself but intend to.

