Anyone here excited for WP7?
Oct 20, 2010, 7:10 pm
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Engadget has a pretty thorough write-up on the OS. Seems that it shines in some areas, but in others it is currently crippled (no copy+paste, no multitasking, poor third-party app support and implementation). Still, a good start for Microsoft, especially if you consider the first iteration of iOS, Android, and Blackberry's revamps.
Oct 20, 2010, 8:18 pm
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True, but I think of it as the start of a new generation. Like WebOS vs. PalmOS... sure Palm had created several mobile OSes before, but WebOS was a dramatic and new shift. We are no longer in the age of terribly slow cell data connections, styluses, and other antiquities. There is not a whole lot Microsoft could still use from the old Windows Mobile.
Oct 20, 2010, 8:26 pm
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True, but I think of it as the start of a new generation. Like WebOS vs. PalmOS... sure Palm had created several mobile OSes before, but WebOS was a dramatic and new shift. We are no longer in the age of terribly slow cell data connections, styluses, and other antiquities. There is not a whole lot Microsoft could still use from the old Windows Mobile.
Oct 21, 2010, 4:01 am
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True, but I think of it as the start of a new generation. Like WebOS vs. PalmOS... sure Palm had created several mobile OSes before, but WebOS was a dramatic and new shift. We are no longer in the age of terribly slow cell data connections, styluses, and other antiquities. There is not a whole lot Microsoft could still use from the old Windows Mobile.
While it's true there's not a lot that Microsoft DID carry over, there's a great deal more they COULD have without pitching the better things about it. The bigger issues were not UI tweaks to be finger-friendly (been done on top of WinMo for years) nor the underlying memory architecture (which on WinMo dated to machines with a few megabytes of battery-backed RAM) but rather the "unfortunate" notion that a PDA/Smartphone was a general purpose computer that the physical owner actually... owned.
Couldn't have that in the brave new sandboxed world.
Oct 21, 2010, 7:48 am
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Walt Mossberg reviews it in today's Wall St. Journal (page D1) and doesn't care much for it. No multitasking of third-party apps, no copy/paste, and no using the phone as a modem for other devices.
I don't know much about software development, but it seems as if these would be on the very first checklist that you gave to your coders.
I don't know much about software development, but it seems as if these would be on the very first checklist that you gave to your coders.
Oct 21, 2010, 9:02 am
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Walt Mossberg reviews it in today's Wall St. Journal (page D1) and doesn't care much for it. No multitasking of third-party apps, no copy/paste, and no using the phone as a modem for other devices.
I don't know much about software development, but it seems as if these would be on the very first checklist that you gave to your coders.
I don't know much about software development, but it seems as if these would be on the very first checklist that you gave to your coders.
That said, they're competing for the same manufacturers which make the Android phones.
Or they're suing some like Motorola which aren't on board with WP7 yet.
Oct 21, 2010, 9:43 am
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I definitely see your point, don't get me wrong. But I can't help but wonder how big of an issue this truly is? What percentage of smartphone users will be impacted by not being able to easily swap their removable storage? I have removable storage in my current phone, which I've had for over a year, and I've never once touched it.
I can see wanting to upgrade to larger storage, sure. Say I buy a WP7 device with 16gb of storage and at some point in the future I want to upgrade to 32gb. Gonna have to do a hard reset and that'll suck, no disputing that. But at least I have the option to do it so I'm already a step ahead of iPhone users. I might perform this storage upgrade once, maybe twice during the lifetime of the phone.
So I'm just wondering, what is the use case for needing to be able to "swap" storage so frequently that this really becomes a dealbreaker for buying the phone, and going back to my previous question, what's the percentage of smartphone users that will be impacted by this dealbreaker?
I'm just trying to rationally understand both sides, that's all. For me, and quite honestly most everyone that I know, this whole removable storage issue isn't an issue at all. So I'd just like to understand the use case for the other perspective here, the perspective that thinks it's a really big issue.
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I can see wanting to upgrade to larger storage, sure. Say I buy a WP7 device with 16gb of storage and at some point in the future I want to upgrade to 32gb. Gonna have to do a hard reset and that'll suck, no disputing that. But at least I have the option to do it so I'm already a step ahead of iPhone users. I might perform this storage upgrade once, maybe twice during the lifetime of the phone.
So I'm just wondering, what is the use case for needing to be able to "swap" storage so frequently that this really becomes a dealbreaker for buying the phone, and going back to my previous question, what's the percentage of smartphone users that will be impacted by this dealbreaker?
I'm just trying to rationally understand both sides, that's all. For me, and quite honestly most everyone that I know, this whole removable storage issue isn't an issue at all. So I'd just like to understand the use case for the other perspective here, the perspective that thinks it's a really big issue.
Thanks,
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The only interesting feature, to my mind, is the XBox 360 integration. If it was an otherwise open, comparable platform, it might well have been enough to sway me in its favor... as it stands, I'm sure there are a handful of late-teen and 20-something guys for whom this is a must-have, but I just can't see any other market niche that this will appeals to where another offering isn't better.
Oct 22, 2010, 5:01 pm
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Joost makes an excellent point though. MS isn't competing with each of those phones and their app stores on their respective launch days; they're competing with those phones today. So the litmus test will be whether the momentum of WP7 app development is sustaining a few months from now.
Oct 22, 2010, 5:33 pm
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Easier to start with a larger number when you can port from other platforms or just pay developers to bring their applications to WP7.
It'll depend on sales of the phones and the apps. to see if the number of apps. grow to vie with iOS and Android app. libraries.
RIMM ships a lot of phones, which is going to take some time for WP7 to match or exceed. Yet they have a fraction of apps. that is available for iPhone or Android phones. Maybe a lot of Blackberries haven't been capable app. platforms until the Torch.
It'll depend on sales of the phones and the apps. to see if the number of apps. grow to vie with iOS and Android app. libraries.
RIMM ships a lot of phones, which is going to take some time for WP7 to match or exceed. Yet they have a fraction of apps. that is available for iPhone or Android phones. Maybe a lot of Blackberries haven't been capable app. platforms until the Torch.
Oct 23, 2010, 1:16 am
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More crappy WP7 news / features:
Windows Phone 7 limits camera access for apps
How many ways did Microsoft go out of their way to cripple their WP7 phones??? 
Windows Phone 7 limits camera access for apps
Microsoft's tight design rules require all Windows Phone 7 devices to have a pretty nice camera on them; they must tout at least 5 megapixels and video capture to boot. Unfortunately, Redmond's new phone operating system has limitations that mean developers can't fully take advantage of the lenses.
Although Windows Phone 7 devices can record and upload video and pictures, application developers can't fully take advantage of those image sensors to do other fun things like video chat and augmented reality.
That means that not only will Windows Phone 7 not have as many apps as Android-based phones or the iPhone when the first devices go on sale in the U.S. next month, but there will also be whole classes of programs that we just won't see--at least for this version of Windows Phone
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20...#ixzz13AE5XUAt.
Although Windows Phone 7 devices can record and upload video and pictures, application developers can't fully take advantage of those image sensors to do other fun things like video chat and augmented reality.
That means that not only will Windows Phone 7 not have as many apps as Android-based phones or the iPhone when the first devices go on sale in the U.S. next month, but there will also be whole classes of programs that we just won't see--at least for this version of Windows Phone
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20...#ixzz13AE5XUAt.
Oct 23, 2010, 11:20 am
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Do we really know that it was a deliberate decision to prevent certain uses of the camera by third parties?
Or maybe they just didn't get to provide that support in time for this first revision.
Can't imagine they'd want to intentionally limit the types of apps and the types of features on those apps for their platform.
Or maybe they just didn't get to provide that support in time for this first revision.
Can't imagine they'd want to intentionally limit the types of apps and the types of features on those apps for their platform.
Oct 23, 2010, 5:24 pm
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The more reviews I read the more I am brought by to the days of iOS 1. The stories of apps not being able to stay suspended though when locked is the most depressing. I want MS to succeed though they are really going to have to work overtime to get this OS up to speed.