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mikey1003 Jun 18, 2008 9:33 pm

I would love the Forum on Gambling and comps, etc. Let's do it!

mikey1003 Jun 18, 2008 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 9823650)
I do find the point NickB made pretty striking - there are a number of pastimes which could also make the same kind of arguments being made in this thread (skiing, safari/wildlife, hunting for example).

None of these offer comps or points for activity.

Casinos do!

mikey1003 Jun 18, 2008 9:43 pm


Originally Posted by tcook052 (Post 9831341)
I do fully understand your point about how big a business gaming and gaming rewards programs are, trust me, but I am of the opinion it's a slippery slope to start breaking FT down into ever smaller pools of interest based solely on demographics, special interests or activities.

Duh???

We already do that. Photography, Gay and Lesbian, Women travelers, area restaurants, S.P.A.M., Travel Technology/Products, Cruises, Travel with Children/Pets, Disability, Seniors...

One, or more, will not hurt FT in any way. Each addition strengthens us as a community.

tcook052 Jun 18, 2008 10:51 pm


Originally Posted by mikey1003 (Post 9903155)
Duh???

We already do that. Photography, Gay and Lesbian, Women travelers, area restaurants, S.P.A.M., Travel Technology/Products, Cruises, Travel with Children/Pets, Disability, Seniors...

One, or more, will not hurt FT in any way. Each addition strengthens us as a community.

Duh yourself :rolleyes: Most of those mentioned forums fairly new and I opposed creating them as well for exactly the same reasons as it's MHO, which I understood I was entitled to BTW, breaking FT down into further small pools weakens not strengthens us as a community.

I appreciate OP's intelligent debate on this thread, though seems the standards aren't as high with some. Too bad.

Jenbel Jun 19, 2008 12:18 pm

Out of interest, of those supporting the idea of such a forum, how many of you are already members of a gaming loyalty programme?

mikey1003 Jun 19, 2008 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 9906143)
Out of interest, of those supporting the idea of such a forum, how many of you are already members of a gaming loyalty programme?

I belong to many... The local Indiana Casinos and each of the Vegas and AC programs

FYI Some programs are for one casino and some for chains/groups. I think that some are for both.

When I gambled a lot, I could spend 1-2 weeks in Las Vegas and never pay for anything except tips. Air, room, food, shows, fights etc.

Now, I do not gamble as much, or for as much money, but I do OK.

mikey1003 Jun 19, 2008 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by tcook052 (Post 9903377)
Duh yourself :rolleyes: Most of those mentioned forums fairly new and I opposed creating them as well for exactly the same reasons as it's MHO, which I understood I was entitled to BTW, breaking FT down into further small pools weakens not strengthens us as a community.

I appreciate OP's intelligent debate on this thread, though seems the standards aren't as high with some. Too bad.

But those forums exist today and FT is better for it! I will not dignify others remarks with a rolleyes here.

tcook052 Jun 19, 2008 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by mikey1003 (Post 9906263)
But those forums exist today and FT is better for it!

In your opinion. You say it like it's a given like gravity and nobody should bother even holding a differing opinion.


I will not dignify others remarks with a rolleyes here.
An definate improvement on your earlier comments. ^

wharvey Jun 19, 2008 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 9906143)
Out of interest, of those supporting the idea of such a forum, how many of you are already members of a gaming loyalty programme?


I have memberships in Foxwoods and Turning Stone in the East and several of the Vegas/Reno properties....

mikey1003 Jun 19, 2008 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by tcook052 (Post 9906460)
In your opinion. You say it like it's a given like gravity and nobody should bother even holding a differing opinion.

It is my opinion based on several years membership in FT and seeing where it was, where it is and where I hope that the Community is going. No sense thinking small.

Others will make their own opinions. That is why we are a COMMUNITY.

We all speak for ourselves! We learn and grow based on what others offer.




Originally Posted by tcook052 (Post 9906460)
An definate improvement on your earlier comments. ^

My earlier comments?????


Originally Posted by tcook052 (Post 9903377)
Duh yourself :rolleyes: Most of those mentioned forums fairly new and I opposed creating them as well for exactly the same reasons as it's MHO, which I understood I was entitled to BTW, breaking FT down into further small pools weakens not strengthens us as a community.

I appreciate OP's intelligent debate on this thread, though seems the standards aren't as high with some. Too bad.


To each his/her own

bhatnasx Jun 19, 2008 10:02 pm


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 9906143)
Out of interest, of those supporting the idea of such a forum, how many of you are already members of a gaming loyalty programme?

I'm a member of the MGM program & the Total Rewards program & the Casino Niagara program - so just 3 for me. I'll be staying in LAS next month on a comped room due to the MGM loyalty marketing program.

chichow Jun 20, 2008 6:16 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 9898680)
I love my craps and hold 'em and Lord knows I've given my money to casinos on four continents so there's no moral objection from me.

But as I posted in the private TB forum, the problem I have is more systemic to the structure and organization of FT.

Supporters of this forum can say that a gaming destinations forum will be all about comps and casino points, but we all know that, just like the United Mileage Plus forum about the ENTIRE United experience rather than about just points and miles, there WILL be conversation-creep in a gaming destination forum and it will be about everything from the strategies for blackjack to the best strip club in Atlantic City.
*snipped*l.

One of the most rational and enlightening posts on this topic.

To be honest, I can also see where it goes from where are the best comps, to well, the gaming conditions for this game/slot is the best, to how should I play this video poker to maximize my return and therefore get comps/rewards from this program.

tough call. The forum will definitely won't be just about comps/reward points despite any initial intentions.

blackjack-21 Jun 20, 2008 10:34 pm

I'm against changing the original premise of BK's starting thread from worldwide gaming locations to only loyalty schemes and rewards. Using LAS as an example, Harrahs now has taken over the loyalty programs of the hotels that were purchased from Hilton, ie., Caesars Emperors Club, and the Park Place connection involving Ballys, Paris, Flamingo, etc. and also including Caesars. MGM has merged their hotels into one club card. So all the many at one time different programs have shrunk over the years into just a few predominent ones and a couple of individual programs. By limiting the new forum to only loyalty casino rewards, you've shrunk what I see as the original thinking of BK's post. Yes, those programs should also be included, but to not include worldwide gaming destinations in the forum ("other worldwide gaming destinations, NOT Las Vegas") severely limits the input and questions that might be brought up on the forum. And what's wrong if someone asks about strategy tips for craps or blackjack or slots at a particular casino? Don't some casinos in the Caribbean or Europe or elsewhere use different rules then in N.A.? Even casinos in different areas of N.A. (Reno, LV, AC) have slightly different variations of known games. Better to know in advance then find out the hard way after you've sat down to play.

BTW, I could have put this in the Canada Forum but it probably wouldn't have been noticed as much as if it had been in the newly proposed worldwide gaming forum. Noticed on local TV up here last night that the Casino Windsor
(across the river from Detroit) had a grand "reopening" as the new Caesars Windsor. Renovations went on for over a year, and they now have two towers (Forum and Augustus towers) and rates as high as Caesars LV. Using the Harrahs calendar, I found some lower rates in the fall. Be aware, though, that although the hotel rooms can be either smoking or non, the casino itself is non-smoking as per Ontario laws. It's about a three and a quarter hour drive from TO, and we haven't been there since Harrahs took it over, so if anyone happens to be in the area, I'd appreciate hearing about the new layout. Although.....where would they put the reply???

In answer to an earlier question, we have two large stacks of players cards, each about four decks thick. Many from the Vegas programs now merged into others, some from casino hotels no longer in existance, and some from the casinos here in Ontario (although our Casino Windsor card is now replaced by the Harrahs Total Rewards card). And I recently found my old Playboy Club key, which I used at the Playboy Club in London in 1968, the first time I played blackjack in a casino. Probably should shred the unuseable cards.

bj-21.

kaukau Jun 21, 2008 1:41 pm


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 9906143)
Out of interest, of those supporting the idea of such a forum, how many of you are already members of a gaming loyalty programme?

I have gaming loyalty membership at multiple casino hotels in Las Vegas Nevada and Sydney Australia; am looking forward to gambling and staying at the Hyatt Hotel and Casino, Manila, the Philippines. Don't know if they have a loyalty program or not. Will enjoy participating in a gambling forum.

NickB Jun 21, 2008 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by blackjack-21 (Post 9914826)
I'm against changing the original premise of BK's starting thread from worldwide gaming locations to only loyalty schemes and rewards.

The problem witha gaming locations forum is that you are then faced with the problem I mentioned above in post #28, viz. that it would then become difficult to refuse any request for have to create a forum for just about activity or hobby: golfing destinations, snowboarding destinations, botanical travel, opera travel, architecture travel, etc... That, in turn, would kill the geographical destinations fora.

The case for loyalty schemes and rewards is somewhat stronger, albeit not entirely free from criticism either. FT is not about loyalty schemes in general. It is about those related to travel. There is, of course, the aberration of SPAM. But the existence of SPAM would be a rather poor argument for the creation of any other forum. I accept that there is a loose connection between travel and gaming loyalty schemes, but it is just that: a loose connection. And my fear is, as referred to by Koko further up, a forum that would be nominally about gaming loyalty schemes would probably very quickly become a more general worldwide gaming forum.

I have no doubt that there is a case to be made to have somewhere on the internet a forum dedicated to worldwide gaming. What is more questionable is whether that forum should be on FT.


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