Increased Transparency in TB Votes
Mar 2, 2015 | 5:46 pm
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Mar 2, 2015 | 9:04 pm
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As I posted in the other thread:
We (TB) implemented the public announcement of when a motion will pass/fail once a motion gathers (or doesn't) enough votes to pass, so FTers don't continue to argue for/against something if a decision has been made.
The list of who voted yes/no/abstain is made public when all votes are in or the 2 week voting period ends, whichever happens first.
Even if a vote goes the full two weeks, to paraphrase a comment either in this or another thread, this isn't Congress/the United Nations. The FT world will not come to an end.
I don't see the point of amending the TB guidelines for a time stamp.
I'm trying to think of what pressing benefit to FT is accomplished by knowing that someone voted at 2:53 am on (pick any date in the 2-week period).
Amending TB guidelines to add a time stamp ranks up there with the seriously, this is what TB concerns itself w/ chain of thought IMO.
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We (TB) implemented the public announcement of when a motion will pass/fail once a motion gathers (or doesn't) enough votes to pass, so FTers don't continue to argue for/against something if a decision has been made.
The list of who voted yes/no/abstain is made public when all votes are in or the 2 week voting period ends, whichever happens first.
Even if a vote goes the full two weeks, to paraphrase a comment either in this or another thread, this isn't Congress/the United Nations. The FT world will not come to an end.
I don't see the point of amending the TB guidelines for a time stamp.
I'm trying to think of what pressing benefit to FT is accomplished by knowing that someone voted at 2:53 am on (pick any date in the 2-week period).
Amending TB guidelines to add a time stamp ranks up there with the seriously, this is what TB concerns itself w/ chain of thought IMO.
Cheers.
Mar 3, 2015 | 1:37 am
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I'm all for transparency. As for delayed votes, they can happen for all sorts of reasons.
I've yet to cast my vote in the rental car forum decision as I'm trying to catch up after delays getting home and back to work...will do so in the next day or so.
I've yet to cast my vote in the rental car forum decision as I'm trying to catch up after delays getting home and back to work...will do so in the next day or so.
Mar 3, 2015 | 7:19 am
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To coin a phrase, I believe this is a solution in search of a problem.
In terms of transparency, we've got the public announcement of when a motion will pass/not pass. In terms of transparency, we have the list of who voted yes/no/abstain when voting is completed.
I'm really struggling to think of why knowing a TB member voted at 2:53am (on any date in a 2-week period) adds to the greater good of FT. Some TB members will vote relatively quickly, some will vote in the middle, some will vote at the end. I've seen no great clamoring for time stamps by FT members.
I think FTers would rather TB deal with more substantive issues.
Cheers.
In terms of transparency, we've got the public announcement of when a motion will pass/not pass. In terms of transparency, we have the list of who voted yes/no/abstain when voting is completed.
I'm really struggling to think of why knowing a TB member voted at 2:53am (on any date in a 2-week period) adds to the greater good of FT. Some TB members will vote relatively quickly, some will vote in the middle, some will vote at the end. I've seen no great clamoring for time stamps by FT members.
I think FTers would rather TB deal with more substantive issues.
Cheers.
Mar 3, 2015 | 7:25 am
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To coin a phrase, I believe this is a solution in search of a problem.
In terms of transparency, we've got the public announcement of when a motion will pass/not pass. In terms of transparency, we have the list of who voted yes/no/abstain when voting is completed.
I'm really struggling to think of why knowing a TB member voted at 2:53am (on any date in a 2-week period) adds to the greater good of FT. Some TB members will vote relatively quickly, some will vote in the middle, some will vote at the end. I've seen no great clamoring for time stamps by FT members.
I think FTers would rather TB deal with more substantive issues.
Cheers.
In terms of transparency, we've got the public announcement of when a motion will pass/not pass. In terms of transparency, we have the list of who voted yes/no/abstain when voting is completed.
I'm really struggling to think of why knowing a TB member voted at 2:53am (on any date in a 2-week period) adds to the greater good of FT. Some TB members will vote relatively quickly, some will vote in the middle, some will vote at the end. I've seen no great clamoring for time stamps by FT members.
I think FTers would rather TB deal with more substantive issues.
Cheers.
Mar 3, 2015 | 7:32 am
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I think seeing a pattern could be useful. Over the course of several votes seeing the same single member voted 7-10 days after everyone else, effectively holding up a motion from passing consistently is information that might be of value to FT.
Especially if such a member wants to accuse others of improper conduct.
Especially if such a member wants to accuse others of improper conduct.
Mar 3, 2015 | 7:38 am
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Some will vote quickly, some will vote in the middle, some will vote at the end. That's been true since TB was created. Shrug.
The public announcement of whether something will pass/fail once it garners enough votes takes care of the situation where a vote goes to the very end. The 48-hour delay before voting commences takes care of those who might vote very quickly/right after a vote is open.
Changing the guidelines to add a timestamp (especially if the timestamp needs to be done manually) doesn't bring enough benefit to make it worthwhile and still IMO falls into the this is what TB is worrying about category.
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Mar 3, 2015 | 7:44 am
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The public announcement of whether a motion will pass (or fail) is made once a motion gets the required 6 votes (or doesn't). Quite frankly there's nothing that important that going the entire 2 weeks on voting marks the end of the FT world.
This is a mountain being made out of a molehill.
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Mar 3, 2015 | 8:29 am
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A vote can go two weeks. The reason could be a TB member is taking their time/doing some research, it can be because a TB member is traveling, it could be because a TB member is obstinate. It doesn't really matter.
The public announcement of whether a motion will pass (or fail) is made once a motion gets the required 6 votes (or doesn't). Quite frankly there's nothing that important that going the entire 2 weeks on voting marks the end of the FT world.
This is a mountain being made out of a molehill.
Cheers.
The public announcement of whether a motion will pass (or fail) is made once a motion gets the required 6 votes (or doesn't). Quite frankly there's nothing that important that going the entire 2 weeks on voting marks the end of the FT world.
This is a mountain being made out of a molehill.
Cheers.
To be clear, I'm happy to provide how/when/why I voted the way I did anytime. If it's automated (in terms of a timestamp), that's fine. If that's too much programming based on the perceived value, that's fine. I'm simply offering full transparency on my own voting record.
Mar 3, 2015 | 9:13 am
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Same here.
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Mar 3, 2015 | 9:15 am
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Of course it can. In recent months members are saying we shouldn't have a private forum at all and all details should be public. There's also a completely unfounded rumor of a rush to vote. Dispelling that alone would give me enough motivation to pass this change. When Jackal made the suggestion that voting records should be public I thought it was worth exploring.
Mar 3, 2015 | 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by Pub24
This seems like a idea that exists just to further petty internal disagreements. I'd rather see the TB members all discussing the current motion on the table, rather than taking time calling out each other.
Mar 3, 2015 | 10:30 am
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Mar 3, 2015 | 10:31 am
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I'll chalk this up to "there's no winning either way". Either there's not enough transparency or it's "score settling". I guess I would prefer to be transparent and, if that settles a score or two, that's just an unintended consequence.
Mar 3, 2015 | 10:32 am
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I have. And I think I was the second to vote.